Seattle airport removes Christmas Trees to avoid lawsuit...

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Personally I think this whole PC thing with Christmas has more to do with people's selfishness and lack of their own faith and worth than it actually has anything to do with the holiday itself or how other people choose to celebrate or not celebrate it. JMHO

Merry CHRISTmas

I think you are right about the lack of their own faith. Maybe they are secretly afraid that people with faith are right or something (no matter what faith).

I, myself, do not mind seeing sybols of other religions. I like learning about their celebrations. What bothers me is the way people are determined to keep Christ out of Christmas and some won't even say Merry Christmas. You can't please all the people all the time but many are making a royal mess of things by trying.

[RICHARD]

Never in a million years would I have thought way back in my childhood that this world would have gotten so strange.

Just wait.

I was Just watching Lou Dobbs and he made a point about Seatac NOT being a governmeent operation....They took the tress doen just from the fear of being sued....

Just like the "No God on Money" moron...it takes on moron to wreck the whole chacha foir everyone.


Individuality Sucks...

[Luvin Labs]

Whether people like it or not Christmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ. They should celebrate their own holidays or not as they choose and leave mine alone!!! If they want a holiday where they exchange gifts, they should pick a different date.

Hon, this time of the season was originally about celebrating the winter solstice (Pagan tradition). Exchanging gifts, the tree, the log, carols, its ALL PAGAN. Religious scholars believe the JC was NOT born on Dec 25th but actually somewhere in April June timeframe.

I don't mean to sound rude but when you say what I quoted above, I say perhaps Christianity should have never taken away this time of year from the Pagans. Perhaps Christians should pick another date considering the Pagans have celebrated this time of year far longer than the celebration of Jesus Christ.

I'm sorry if I offended you but it irks me like crazy that many people do not know the REAL history behind this season.

I agree with everyone else with things becoming way TOO PC. I won't be offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" or any other religious blessing. I'll say it right back to them, or I'll just say "Happy Holidays". I find it rather pleasing that someone wants to wish me a happy around this time of year. Don't know why people want to be sooo offended in recent years.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Hannakuh and have a great Saturnalia!

I just read a post, this morning, on another one of my groups (MSN), from a member who I like, but who does not believe in God. She was all aflutter because she isn't "ready" for Christmas!!! She hasn't read all of the Christmas books to her kids, she hasn't done her Christmas baking, she hasn't bought the Christmas gifts, etc. If you don't believe in God or the birth of Jesus, why in the world do you do Christmas at all?? Give me a break!!!!

Just because SHE does not believe in god does NOT mean that she should automatically have nothing to do with the season! This is a season for friends, family, kids, giving, receiving, caring. Just because one does not believe in god does not mean that one cannot celebrate. Give me a break!

As for the person who said we've been celebrating this for 2,000 years, well PAGAN tradition has been around a LOT longer than that, and has celebrated their holiday on Dec 25th for far longer:

On December 25 (the date of the winter solstice) pagan Romans, still in the majority, celebrated Natalis Solis Invincti, "Birthday of the Invincible Sun God," Mithras. The Mithras cult originated in Persia and rooted itself in the Roman world in the first century BCE, but by the early 300s CE the rising religion of Christianity was posing a formidable challenge to the sun worshipers, especially after the Edict of Milan issued by the Roman emperor Constantine I in 313 CE allowed Christians to practice their faith in the Roman Empire.

[JenBKR]

As for the person who said we've been celebrating this for 2,000 years, well PAGAN tradition has been around a LOT longer than that, and has celebrated their holiday on Dec 25th for far longer:

Just out of curiousity - I thought the winter solstice is on the 21st, or is it a different holiday you mean? Or has it changed? Just curious

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Hon, this time of the season was originally about celebrating the winter solstice (Pagan tradition). Exchanging gifts, the tree, the log, carols, its ALL PAGAN. Religious scholars believe the JC was NOT born on Dec 25th but actually somewhere in April June timeframe.

I don't mean to sound rude but when you say what I quoted above, I say perhaps Christianity should have never taken away this time of year from the Pagans. Perhaps Christians should pick another date considering the Pagans have celebrated this time of year far longer than the celebration of Jesus Christ.

I'm sorry if I offended you but it irks me like crazy that many people do not know the REAL history behind this season.

I agree with everyone else with things becoming way TOO PC. I won't be offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" or any other religious blessing. I'll say it right back to them, or I'll just say "Happy Holidays". I find it rather pleasing that someone wants to wish me a happy around this time of year. Don't know why people want to be sooo offended in recent years.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Hannakuh and have a great Saturnalia!



Just because SHE does not believe in god does NOT mean that she should automatically have nothing to do with the season! This is a season for friends, family, kids, giving, receiving, caring. Just because one does not believe in god does not mean that one cannot celebrate. Give me a break!

As for the person who said we've been celebrating this for 2,000 years, well PAGAN tradition has been around a LOT longer than that, and has celebrated their holiday on Dec 25th for far longer:

On December 25 (the date of the winter solstice) pagan Romans, still in the majority, celebrated Natalis Solis Invincti, "Birthday of the Invincible Sun God," Mithras. The Mithras cult originated in Persia and rooted itself in the Roman world in the first century BCE, but by the early 300s CE the rising religion of Christianity was posing a formidable challenge to the sun worshipers, especially after the Edict of Milan issued by the Roman emperor Constantine I in 313 CE allowed Christians to practice their faith in the Roman Empire.

Well, hon, you did not offend me. I've always known that Jesus was born in the spring around Passover BUT the 25th of December has always been the date that the early Christians chose (for reasons I have no way of knowing) to celebrate his birth.

The winter solstice is actually a few days earlier than the 25th.
Seems like the Pagans had first grabs at the time frame and did not choose the 25th. That date did not take off and become popular until Christianity ran with it. You can't get mad at the Christians just because their holiday became more popular.

[Logan]

My only response to those who were talking about the Pagan holiday is why would someone who does not believe in God (in the Christian sort of way) call it Christmas???? Christmas is about CHRIST! She is not Pagan, she is just a non-believer. But if it is Christmas, it is not about the gifts, the books, the baking, anyway, it is about the love of Jesus Christ, whether it is celebrated in December, April, July, etc.

[Luvin Labs]

Bah, the tree is a pagan symbol anyways.

Yup it is

The rabbi didn't want the tree taken down... he wanted a menorah (sp?) put up beside it. I have no problem with that.

The Seattle airport should just put up a sign that says "Happy Holidays tree" or something. Of course, then some people would get upset because it doesn't say anything about Christmas (there are actually people boycotting stores that use the slogan "happy holidays")....it's all a bit ridiculous.

they should just call it a holiday tree and be done with it. Those who are boycotting stores because they say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" really need to look at the history of the real reason for the season, considering its really a pagan holiday celebrating the solstice and a lot of traditions christians are calling theirs are actually pagan (carols, gift exchange, tree, yule log, etc). that or they refuse to admit the facts.

to me its a time for giving, a time for family, and especially for kids. no matter what my beliefs are. i've got a christmas/holiday/winter tree up, decorations, etc.

Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays

(sorry for the babbling)