Thanks, I'm mostly self taught. The only stuff I learned from my photoshop class at school I don't often use. I'm so exited to be satisfied with something finally (the grey one) but after dreamweaver crashing 3 times and the layout I put it in seriously not working, I realize just how much I suck at html. I always knew I had just enought knowledge to scrape by but it looks like in order to keep from going insane I'll have to make one or two templated that work (simple ones) and then make all the pics the same size. I'd like to do away with offering free coding altogether but then I'd get no hits. I may have to kill the text box.