I think I might..just might...

[borzoimom]

You are right! So does the Morristown Seeing Eye school..

On the pet finder page it says Shepherd/Tervuren.

It also says that the dog was "bred" to do drug work..not that it was trained to do so, it probably didn't have the personality. But it dosen't really add up to why the dog would be hosted on pet finder under a rescue group...most police dog organizations have a waiting list for rejected dogs.

Anyways, like I said, I don't think they would have allowed you to have him across the country. I'm sure you can find something closer.

[areias]

You are getting a PM, borzoimom

[areias]

I find this kind of intruiging (sp?). Don't know too much about these breeds. How could two mals create a terv? What would make it a terv? Under what breed would it be registered?

[borzoimom]

I find this kind of intruiging (sp?). Don't know too much about these breeds. How could two mals create a terv? What would make it a terv? Under what breed would it be registered?

The breeds are seperated by variety in this country. In other words- a colored bull terrier could produce white bull terriers. A ASCOB ( any other color other than black) could produce a black cocker. etc. The Irish setter in this country has long been established as only red- however in other countries they accept the red and white variety. The Belgiums as a groups do have seperate breeds in other countries but seperated only by coat types or colors. However for generations they were not seperated so it is feasable and happens a Belgium ( the black ones here in the US ) can produce a Terv ( the sable variety type) in a litter- and seperated so. My first belgium Chancey had a Terv litter mate.. And registered as such as the AKC recognizes the coat color ( black or sable) or type ( malinois) can be produced from each other. Its rare- but it happens.

[wolfsoul]

I find this kind of intruiging (sp?). Don't know too much about these breeds. How could two mals create a terv? What would make it a terv? Under what breed would it be registered?

The different varieties of Belgians are only recognised as seperate breeds by AKC. So in every other registry in the world, the varieties are allowed to be interbred, and are registered as the same breed (Belgian shepherd dog). In AKC, with the amount of one-variety breeding they do, it's not as likely that you will get something different than what you'd planned, though it does happen! Moreso with tervs popping up in groenendael (black) litters.

Short coat is dominant, and long coat is recessive -- so breeding two malinois that carry the recessive longcoat gene will result in a tervuren. It will be fluffier than it's littermates but may grow up to look exactly like a malinois (usually with a softer, finer coat), a tervuren (with a coarser more dense coat), or something in between (which would still be called a tervuren). Mostly you'll get something with long feathers, tail, ear tufts, etc, but the rest of the coat is not as long.

I have plans to breed tervuren one day, mostly out of my groenendael -- Visa will be bred to Loki next year who carries terv, so if she carries terv, then we will have some terv pups! Not likely, but atleast 50% of the litter will carry terv if she doesn't. Solo has a 50% chance of carrying terv. I'm going to get a terv from a breeder in the states in a few years. Ashley (binka_nugget) is also considering intervariety breeding with her malinois that she is getting next year. She will probably use my Solo as a stud if he turns out nicely. Breeding Solo to a mal would give us black malinois.

[Sevaede]

The different varieties of Belgians are only recognised as seperate breeds by AKC. So in every other registry in the world, the varieties are allowed to be interbred, and are registered as the same breed (Belgian shepherd dog). In AKC, with the amount of one-variety breeding they do, it's not as likely that you will get something different than what you'd planned, though it does happen! Moreso with tervs popping up in groenendael (black) litters.

Short coat is dominant, and long coat is recessive -- so breeding two malinois that carry the recessive longcoat gene will result in a tervuren. It will be fluffier than it's littermates but may grow up to look exactly like a malinois (usually with a softer, finer coat), a tervuren (with a coarser more dense coat), or something in between (which would still be called a tervuren). Mostly you'll get something with long feathers, tail, ear tufts, etc, but the rest of the coat is not as long.

I have plans to breed tervuren one day, mostly out of my groenendael -- Visa will be bred to Loki next year who carries terv, so if she carries terv, then we will have some terv pups! Not likely, but atleast 50% of the litter will carry terv if she doesn't. Solo has a 50% chance of carrying terv. I'm going to get a terv from a breeder in the states in a few years. Ashley (binka_nugget) is also considering intervariety breeding with her malinois that she is getting next year. She will probably use my Solo as a stud if he turns out nicely. Breeding Solo to a mal would give us black malinois.

Doesn't the FCI exclude one of the Belgian varieties? I know that there are four but my current breed encyclopedia goes by FCI standards (Although it makes other standards known as well) and they only list three of them. I think it's the Terv because I know I saw Groenendaels. I am pretty sure I saw Laekenois but I am probably putting the wrong ones in the wrong order. (I don't have my book on me for reference).

[wolfsoul]

FCI recognises all four varieties -- but AKC does not recognise the laekenois. The breed club is trying to get it recognised though.

[borzoimom]

FCI recognises all four varieties -- but AKC does not recognise the laekenois. The breed club is trying to get it recognised though.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND I wish they did~

[lute]

FCI recognises all four varieties -- but AKC does not recognise the laekenois. The breed club is trying to get it recognised though.

i hope it gets accepted soon! i've never seen a laekenois in real life. they are very unique looking!

[Sevaede]

FCI recognises all four varieties -- but AKC does not recognise the laekenois. The breed club is trying to get it recognised though.

Ahh, okay. Thank you for clearing that up with me!

You're sure making it hard to not like fluffy black dogs.