I've had them to the vet, more than once, and basically they said that since it's been going on, and they don't have a UTI (not that they checked however), the vet suggested I confine them. I tried to do that last year, and it was miserable. For a while they were ok (back then it was one of the girls, and a boy that my is actually my mom and dad's cat). They would be fine up in the single room, but when left back down, I swear, it took less than 10 minutes for one of them to mark something.

Mostly this is not just inappropriate elimination, it's spraying. I never thought girls sprayed, but I've seen them do it. Many times, when they are spraying by the walls, it's them doing it right in front of me. Which of course, I yell or clap immediately and clean up whatever might have happened.

I have never seen anyone pee on the countertop. I think it's actually two different cats, because the urine looks different. The one is darker than the other is, so I'm guessing it's 2 of them.

I refuse to dump any of my kitties because they pee outside of the box. It's just not an option. I volunteer for two shelters, and have 4 fosters that I adore. They are so well behaved, and never pee outside the box. They do have their own floor to themselves in my house. It has heating, AC, toddler beds, cat beds, comforters, windows to look out of. It's a great area for them. My own guys are on my 1st and 2nd floor, and there are litter pans on both floors. I tried to keep it to one of the floors, but the one foster I have downstairs is very apprehensive of the other cats, so I have others on the 1st floor for when she's down here. She's better around them now (it's been 1 1/2 years), but she's very afraid of other cats.

I think it's more of my three girls wanting to be only cats, and unfortunately, they aren't and I am unwilling to part with them. Boris was supposed to be my brother's cat, I found her at my one elementary school at 4weeks old, and he decided after a few months of me having her that he didn't want to adopt a cat. So, I've had her ever since. She's a good cat, but she's not happy around other kitties. She basically sleeps on the one sofa, but she will wander around the house at times. Finae, my first kitty, has been with me since she was a baby too. She's a total jealous cat when it comes to sharing affection. She and Boris do not get along. Sophie, found as a stray about 5yrs ago, is the sweetest little thing. She does spray here and there, and seems to get annoyed with Finae. She used to get along with Boris when she was tiny, but not so much any more.

Georgie is the only one of my own who is well behaved. He adores other cats, but none of them want anything to do with him. He was really good pals with my mom and dad's cat, they cuddle, snuggle, and sleep together, but they took him back (he has since passed away). I know he'd love a buddy, but the girls are not having it. I've tried to get the one foster from upstairs to be more involved downstairs, but he's another of the "I'd like to be the only cat", and he picks on the others.... so, needless to say I do not allow him down here when I'm not here, or if he starts to cause a fuss. He's the sweetest thing though. He's at least 11yrs old, FIV+, and has the sweetest disposition (most of my fosters are special needs kitties... FIV+ or anxiety issues. I take the ones that would just be in the shelter forever).

Anyway, I think that answered the questions. Not sure the retraining would work, because I really feel it's behavioral, jealousy, territorial, and I really just don't know what to do. I don't want to put them on the 3rd floor and make them feel alienated, they're my own cats. They've never really had to deal with that. Only one of them has, and she was miserable as I said.

So... I just don't know.