What do you all think of Kramer now?

[Marigold2]

I agree with Sophist. What Richards did was not cool, not cool at all. However have you ever had the misfortune of having to listen to that crap they call rap. It is not music, it's *&^&^%%^%!!!!!!!!
Black people call themselves the n- word all the time. Perhaps in their mind it's ok to do it to themselves but no white person should other wise he is ...
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[Grace]

Another one signing in who has never watched Seinfeld. I'm watching this with interest. Will 'they' accept his apology, when 'they' didn't accept Mel's?

Both of these guys have problems deep down inside that need addressing.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sorry....but that dog won't hunt...

First....I can bash my family....they are my family after all ....but you (and my husband )are not welcome to do so.

So saying members of a group use offensive language within the group...does not give me permission to do so.

And if the whole world operated on the principle some of you are suggesting....some members of a group sing really offensive songs that I don't like hearing. Therefore, I am justified in saying REALLY offensive things to OTHER members of that same group conflict and war would be never ending....oh...wait...that is what happens....

I am not responsible for other people's behavior...only my own...and that goes for Michael Richards, Mel Gibson and those hecklers...

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Well, I think that the "n" word or any other racist comment is offensive, so people shouldn't say it. I don't think it matters whether or not some African Americans may use it or not. The point is, it is respectful not to say things that hurt others.

I also don't think his comments were in any way justified because the audience was being obnoxious. If they were being racist as well, that doesn't make his behavior any better.

About Seinfeld's character, I agree with Edwina's Secretary- I dislike the characters and have never been very interested in the show.

[shais_mom]

Well, I think that the "n" word or any other racist comment is offensive, so people shouldn't say it. I don't think it matters whether or not some African Americans may use it or not. The point is, it is respectful not to say things that hurt others.

I also don't think his comments were in any way justified because the audience was being obnoxious. If they were being racist as well, that doesn't make his behavior any better.

About Seinfeld's character, I agree with Edwina's Secretary- I dislike the characters and have never been very interested in the show.

I agree wholeheartedly.
I don't care for Seinfeld, nor any of the characters on the show, so I didn't watch them. I never thought they were as funny as they thought they were!

[sparks19]

HMMMM this is very interesting. He was completely out of control and there is NO excuse for his actions. But even though they pale in comparison I find it funny that no one pointed out the "cracker" comment. Afterall that is their word for us. That is the N word for White People basically. it was all said with hatred and disrespect. Racism is Racism is Racism. it doens't matter who it comes from (white black brown etc etc) or who it is directed at. It doesn't matter if ones words were more hateful than the others words. It is all racism. Seems almost like a double standard.

However, I am absolutely disgusted with his behaviour. He really needs to seek some sort of help.

As for them calling themselves the N word..... the only thing I have to add to that is..... How can you ever expect people to respect you when you can't even respect yourselves. When they call each other that I think it is just as disparaging and disrespectful as it would be if it came from someone else.

[cyber-sibes]

I am a Seinfeld fan, and I liked Cosmo Kramer, the character. but after the show ended, I saw Michael Richards in a movie and I didn't care for it at all. He was crass and gross. I also saw Jerry Seinfeld on David Letterman, and the Richards apology. He seemed bewildered by his own behavior and said repeatedly that he has anger issues to work on, that he has to go do some internal work. He did not try to justify saying what he did.
I've heard people of all races say horrible things about other races, just not on a public stage. Unfortunately, this will probably ruin his career. It was just too "politically incorrect".

[Sophist]

I agree with Sophist. What Richards did was not cool, not cool at all. However have you ever had the misfortune of having to listen to that crap they call rap. It is not music, it's *&^&^%%^%!!!!!!!!
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Always nice to be agreed with, but the rest of your post is not what I said at all. I can very clearly see the distinction between a black person saying n****, and a white person saying it. And in this case, there is a major difference in intent. Michael Richards is clearly saying it in anger, to provoke and degrade. My post simply mentioned that those two particular individuals (and not every rapper and black person who has ever used a racial epithet casually) sank to just as low a level when they were screaming racial slurs and threats as well, out of anger, to degrade and provoke.

[Husky15]

So Kramer was the man spewing racial comments after he got dissed. I remember seeing my mother watching a video of this on the CNN website, I just wasn't really paying attention to who it was. I never really watched Seinfeld a lot, but when I did I got a good laugh, and I loved Kramer. But he was way too out of control. Any racist in my book is a low-life, and any racial jokes are in poor taste and can be very offending, even if they don't mean them. I knew someone who liked to crack the occasional racist joke and I did not find them funny at all.

But I have to agree with you on one thing, Valerie, I just do not get it that when white people use the "n" word, it's terrible, but when black people say it, it's not that bad. Okay, I do get it, but I don't think that it should be used by anyone. It's very disrespectful. And I think that when black people call themself by the "n" word or their friends, they are disrespecting themself.

We are all people, it doesn't matter our skin color or our nationality. We all bleed, we all see, hear, feel, hurt, think. We all breathe. Racism is one of the stupidest things.

[Lady's Human]

Racism is ugly, period. It's one of if not the most assinine forms of ignorance on earth.


That having been said, while this is the dog house, I don't think some of the language in this thread, either typed or implied, is needed. Dog house or not, this is a family oriented site.

[finn's mom]

I just want to say something in regards to the couple comments about why it's ok for a black person to say the "n" word, but, not a white person. I think it's not even that separated. I think it's among friends, if that makes sense. I think if a black man said it to another black man that he doesn't know or if he said it in a negative way, it would be offensive. I also think that if a white man who is friends with a black man says it to their black friend, it's usually ok, too. I know that's the experiences I've had when I've heard that word. But, I also will say this...it's ok if I give my brothers and friends crap, but, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and watch anyone else give them crap, even if it's the same type of crap. I hope that makes sense. I think it's more of a comradery thing. I dunno if I'm getting my point across at all.