KAK, hopefully Decker will be like Starr and get over it, thanks.

AbbyMom - thanks, I'm glad to know someone else has experienced that. Today I've put them in the sunroom where all the big cat's toys are and he's doing just fine with all those other type toys. I'll just make sure no natural feather things are out.

Freedom - Decker is already neutered. When we trapped him he was so wild I didn't think I could tame him so the vet neutered him so we could release him with his mom but then he calmed down. As for the water bottle so far it doesn't faze him but I'll keep trying. It worked well with breaking bad behavior with my other guys.

Jen - I may have to start putting him in the cage to eat and leaving Moxie out, or the other way around. I think once I get them back on regular food he will get better, I hope. He sure did learn a lot of things from his mom in those few weeks.

Thanks for the replies.