White Shepherds

[wolfsoul]

I'm still very confused as to why the American white shepherd needs to be compared to the German shepherd. The American white shepherd does not need to prove itself in schutzhund -- that is not it's purpose. From what I understand, the general purpose of the breed is as a service dog, which requires a much calmer and less driven dog -- not a dog that would excell at French ring. You might as well compare it to any other breed.

I disagree that breeding for one colour causes so many issues. There was never a limited gene pool -- between the 1940's and 60's, 90% of GSDs carried the recessive white gene. It's like saying that my dogs are going to be unhealthy and unable to work because I'm breeding specifically for black dogs. There are ALOT more coloured dogs out there, yet I'm breeding for black. No issues here!

[Ceph]

mmm, so now that this has all seemed to calm down some, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for breeders? I am from MD, and somewhere within about 10 hours of here would be good...I am looking mostly for intelligence, high drive and a good, sweet temperment (and a female). An ideas?

[borzoimom]

mmm, so now that this has all seemed to calm down some, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for breeders? I am from MD, and somewhere within about 10 hours of here would be good...I am looking mostly for intelligence, high drive and a good, sweet temperment (and a female). An ideas?

Maryland??? Yes I am about up to 2 hours from you. Pm me what you are looking for, and I will reply for you.

[NicoleLJ]

mmm, so now that this has all seemed to calm down some, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for breeders? I am from MD, and somewhere within about 10 hours of here would be good...I am looking mostly for intelligence, high drive and a good, sweet temperment (and a female). An ideas?

I sent you a pm. I know more breeders then I can count. Hopefully we can find one close to you that will be having a litter.
Nicole

[Ceph]

I have a slight question that I am not sure anyone can answer, but I thought I would ask anyway, just for the hec of it.


I have been reading the swiss website on the Berger Blanc Suisse and looking at alot of their dogs (they're very swiss about it....these dogs are the most strictly maintained dogs on the face of the planet....everything is tested scientifically...its wild...neat though).

I have sort of started to notice that the white shepherds bred in america tend to have the lower hindquarters of a German Shepherd, but the Swiss dogs tend to be higher in the hind quarters? does anyone know the reasons for this? They're of similiar background....but the confirmational difference seems odd to me....I was wondering if it was something that was bred in or trained in....I dont really know. Thanks!

[NicoleLJ]

It all comes down to teh breeding. WS breeders are trying to breed for mroe of the old style with little to no angulation in the back. When Sheena stands naturally she has a very straight back. But when I stack her, depending on how far I move the leg back, her back comes down into the angulation. So it is not only breeding but also how they could be stacked or standing. Even stacked Sheena does not have the sever angulation of the GSD. Your best bet to understand the structure of WS and Berger's is to read their standards for structure.

I hope this answers your question.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

I was wondering the same thing- its the stack she is seeing in the pictures. We stack different... I can make a Borzoi look more short backed, by holding up the head which rocks the rise back more flat than how they are shown. As long as the rise starts past the last rib at the top of the back, they are not wheel backed. Its where it starts- not how high the rise is ...

[wolfsoul]

I can make a Borzoi look more short backed, by holding up the head which rocks the rise back more flat than how they are shown. ..

Wish I could do that...Visa is a little long in the body, would be nice to somehow make her appear more square. But the only time she looks square is when she doesn't have any coat 9no huge pants and mane to lengthen her), in which case she looks bald which is even worse lol.