White Shepherds

[Sophist]

Ok, when someone says they check some ads online and tell me mals and tervs are more expensive than GSD's Its pretty obvious they have never imported, never trained, nor bought or sold and PSD's. You really think i was going out on a limb with that one?? if you do than i'm sorry i offended you, but i just call it like I see it.

Again, I never in any way asserted or implied that I myself imported, trained, bought or sold k-9 units, so try not to pat yourself on the back too much for that little bit of deductive reasoning.

And please keep in mind that I did readily admit that my price info came from online ads, breeders pages, and newspapers. As I said before, I have never claimed to be in the habit of buying and selling these dogs, so it isn't like I've been making industry connections for years and compiling folders on dogs available from overseas just because I have that time on my hands. The money doesn't come out of my pocket, so I don't know the exact amounts. But, from the evidence I could find, B. Mals and B. Tervurens were more expensive than American GSDs, which I tried to make it clear from the beginning was what I was comparing to. That is why I expressed surprise over your price assertion and asked for more info.
I never tried to come across as a K-9 unit expert, in fact I made it quite clear that it was my father who does that work (and happened to discuss white shepherds with me, so when I saw a white shepherd thread I thought I had an amusing tidbit to add) and the extent of my experience in purchasing/owning/training GSDs was a mix from the pound who I have owned for about one week. So, once again, please don't try to overstate my claims, even if it does make it easier and more enjoyable to attack me.

[borzoimom]

Femka was brought here from the Netherlands for 5 grand. ( spayed female), One of my male shepherds from Germany was 3 grand and it took a month quarrentine, and he never really recovered from it.. I paid 2 grand for my first and second belgium but only 1200 for a female shepherd from New Skeet... Price is set by the seller and the willingness to pay from the buyer. Borzois are reallllly expensive.

[wolfsoul]

I'm still very confused as to why the American white shepherd needs to be compared to the German shepherd. The American white shepherd does not need to prove itself in schutzhund -- that is not it's purpose. From what I understand, the general purpose of the breed is as a service dog, which requires a much calmer and less driven dog -- not a dog that would excell at French ring. You might as well compare it to any other breed.

I disagree that breeding for one colour causes so many issues. There was never a limited gene pool -- between the 1940's and 60's, 90% of GSDs carried the recessive white gene. It's like saying that my dogs are going to be unhealthy and unable to work because I'm breeding specifically for black dogs. There are ALOT more coloured dogs out there, yet I'm breeding for black. No issues here!

[Ceph]

mmm, so now that this has all seemed to calm down some, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for breeders? I am from MD, and somewhere within about 10 hours of here would be good...I am looking mostly for intelligence, high drive and a good, sweet temperment (and a female). An ideas?

[borzoimom]

mmm, so now that this has all seemed to calm down some, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for breeders? I am from MD, and somewhere within about 10 hours of here would be good...I am looking mostly for intelligence, high drive and a good, sweet temperment (and a female). An ideas?

Maryland??? Yes I am about up to 2 hours from you. Pm me what you are looking for, and I will reply for you.

[NicoleLJ]

mmm, so now that this has all seemed to calm down some, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for breeders? I am from MD, and somewhere within about 10 hours of here would be good...I am looking mostly for intelligence, high drive and a good, sweet temperment (and a female). An ideas?

I sent you a pm. I know more breeders then I can count. Hopefully we can find one close to you that will be having a litter.
Nicole

[Ceph]

I have a slight question that I am not sure anyone can answer, but I thought I would ask anyway, just for the hec of it.


I have been reading the swiss website on the Berger Blanc Suisse and looking at alot of their dogs (they're very swiss about it....these dogs are the most strictly maintained dogs on the face of the planet....everything is tested scientifically...its wild...neat though).

I have sort of started to notice that the white shepherds bred in america tend to have the lower hindquarters of a German Shepherd, but the Swiss dogs tend to be higher in the hind quarters? does anyone know the reasons for this? They're of similiar background....but the confirmational difference seems odd to me....I was wondering if it was something that was bred in or trained in....I dont really know. Thanks!

[NicoleLJ]

It all comes down to teh breeding. WS breeders are trying to breed for mroe of the old style with little to no angulation in the back. When Sheena stands naturally she has a very straight back. But when I stack her, depending on how far I move the leg back, her back comes down into the angulation. So it is not only breeding but also how they could be stacked or standing. Even stacked Sheena does not have the sever angulation of the GSD. Your best bet to understand the structure of WS and Berger's is to read their standards for structure.

I hope this answers your question.
Nicole