I'll try the water bottle when they start. I do use a broom handle at this point to pry them off each other. As I mentioned, the dobe backs down fairly fast...but the bulldog is strong and lunges until you completely remove her from the situation. Usually my husband grabs the bully and I grab the doberman. I had no idea that having two females of the same age would cause issues, we always had two females growing up (two sets that is). Never a problem. I don't want to re-home one, so I guess seperation is the best idea unless we are home and in the same area. They don't fight if we are in the same location as they are...but they do posture, give the hard looks, etc. Usually it is the bully that does that and starts growling. So hard because the bully rolls right over when we reach down to pet her...not an aggressive bone in her towards humans. I use to worry that my doberman would be the aggressive dog...but she isn't unless she is at witts end.

Thanks for all the suggestions...looking forward to reading all you folks can provide!!!

Deborah