Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???

[borzoimom]

Its not that I dont like pits... They scare me- I mean perfectly normal dogs attack and leave people DEAD.. its the jaw pressure and the lack of stopping an attack. If the clubs did something like temperment testing or something, it would work out- but they act like duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh there is not problem, your call is important to us- please continue to hold mentality, the poor breeds will get NOOOOOOOOOOO WHERE in modern civilization...

[wolf_Q]

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and I quit here on this topic PERIOD...

[buttercup132]

and I quit here on this topic PERIOD...

I wonder how many more times this is going to be said before this actually happens...

I think this is pretty sad for a thread to turn like this all over a breed when she asked for POSITIVE things in the first place.

[wolfsoul]

We get quite alot of pitties in at my work. We've never had an issue with any of them -- they are some of the easiest breeds to control in the grooming parlor. We've gotten an influx of young pit bulls, under a year, who were not taught to behave during a groom session (as they aren't a breed that needs alot of grooming). Some of them will try to nip at your fingers when you clip the nails (in a puppy way). A firm "no" is all that is needed for them. Their ears go back, they get a sad look on their face, and they try very hard to give extra kisses. They are a terrier, will always hold terrier traits, yet I find them to be very eager to please. The only issue we had with a bully breed was an amstaff that was severely abused in it's irst home and was terrified of everything. For the first groom it needed to be muzzled and watched carefully for old dog fits. After the first groom it was fine, no more muzzle, still quite scared but more trusting

I've worked around dogs my entire life, and I work around them professionally now. Rarely do I meet such happy, carefree dogs who can give you a good whack with their tail but otherwise leave you with only kisses. I owned a pit bull, some of my friends own or owned pit bulls -- very sweet, loving, family dogs. They were the #1 family dog in North America for a number of yars, nicknamed the nanny dog. No one can tell me that they upheld that reputation for so long and are still "killers." I don't believe it.

The only breed that has ever "attacked" me (as in not just a bite, an actual trying to kill me, viciously going for me) is the golden retriever. And not just one -- several of them. Yet everyone will says that goldens make the best family dogs ever. I think the best thing is to ignore the exceptions and focus on the breed and how the breed should be as a whole. A GOOD example of a pit bull does not attack.

I think that pit bulls for dummies is a very good book -- it explains the myths. For instance, pit bulls do not have a higher pressure bite per square inch than other breeds. In fact, in a study, they found German shepherds to have the strongest bite.

As for protection trained pit bulls, I find them to be much more stable than most the other breeds. 99% of schutzhund, french ring, etc dogs find it to be a game. The 1% of them that think of it as serious work are all quite dangerous in my opinion, but I've met police pit bulls and I've found them to be very stable dogs. The police GSDs I've met have scared the cr*p out of me -- one of them tried to attack me while I was just standing there not even looking at it, and the only one I found to be non-dog aggressive was 5 months old. Haven't met a police trained Belgian yet, but I imagine it would be alot worse. Alot of police departments would consider a pit bull before they would consider a Belgian, if they know dogs well enough.

I also think this thread should be closed. It makes me unhappy to think that my pit bull went his entire 15 years without biting anyone, and he is being blamed for the actions of some dogs.

[kimlovescats]

Borzoimom is not bashing the dog itself, she is truly concerned with your, your family's and loved ones' safety. Can you all not see that she is trying to educate and protect people here? What would she possibly gain by trying to pick on a particular breed of dog? She has not said anything rude or spiteful or sarcastic to any one here, but she has been disrespected by many "bull-headed" people on this thread. How dare anyone imply that because she is "new" to PT, that she doesn't have a right to express herself. She is obviously a "dog-lover" as she has posted on many other threads here and offered her help and kindness. I pray to God that none of you have to experience the very thing that she and Tim both are trying to educate you about. She has not suggested that any one put their beloved pet to sleep because it is a pit bull, she is simply sharing some horrific experiences she knows of and trying to prevent further ones from happening. The polite and adult thing to do would be to thank her for her advice / warning and move on instead of being hateful.

[caseysmom]

Kim, Who is Tim?

[kimlovescats]

Kim, Who is Tim?

Majestic Collies ... isn't his name Tim?

[luvofallhorses]

I don't think anyone is being hateful, Kim. we are just sick of people bashing pit bulls left and right, that's all.

[caseysmom]

Kim, I didn't even realize Tim had posted...sorry Tim.

[wolf_Q]

Borzoimom leads the post cout in this thread with 45 replies, I think she has "warned" us all enough.

[bluebird]

To generalize about any breed is pointless! All pitts are not perfect pets any more than all chihauha's are perfect pets. All pitts are not vicious any more than all chihauha's are ankle biters.

The most important thing when choosing any specific breed is to educate yourself on that breed and it's quirks and needs.

A pitt puppy wouldn't be ideal for a granny with a walker and a chi wouldn't be ideal for someone that hopes to jog 5 miles a day with their dog.

[cali]

as for ths story of the Pittie that attacked a dog and the dogs owner? ok first off this was the owners fault, I dont care how good of a trainer you are, SHE is the one who left the dog loose in an unfenced yard and did not hold her dog when the other passed. Happy is incredably well trained, I can call her away from anything, and I can have her loose in my front yard with me.... HOWEVER I always keep a look out and I ALWAYS take her collar when I see someone weather they have a dog or not walking by, and they always thank me for it too. if the other dog displayed anything even so much as staring at the pittie, this could have set the dog off(ANY dog off not just a pit) a Pit is a terrier, terriers hold on tight, they were bred too, the the other dogs owner interfered the pit obviously attacked her, I know the same thing that happend with a JRT, the jack got in a fight with another dog, the guy stepped in and the JRT got his thumb, injured it quite badly. when a dog is in fight mode you NEVER stick your hands into it, thats just flat out stupidity. this trainer may have thought she could handle a pit, but going by her actions that led to this attack, she clearly did NOT understand basic bahviour.

[Kfamr]

Kim, she may be trying to "warn" us but someone with such minute knowledge of the breed should NOT open their mouths on the subject. It is very obvious borzoimom knows nothing about this breed.



All quotes from borzoimom...

by the way- I am looking at the dogs head posture= the dogs jaws are locked, eyes are fixed, ears up and stare intense.. Please move the baby..

Yeah, great! Go ahead and pick apart photos of another PT member's beloved dog. What sort of heartless person are you?

this is NOT reliable breed- and it doesnt just bite- it maims, kills with such visciousness its like the dog becomes possessed... A mix of pit would better than a "pure bred" even then- its a serious problem..

People have owned perfectly sound Pit Bulls for years and years. They can be a serious problem to an ignorant person such as yourself. However, a person experienced with the breed will not have a problem with human aggression. Animal aggression, sure, it can happen in any dog even with the best trainer. However, HUMAN AGGRESSION AND ANIMAL AGGRESSION ARE TWO COMPLETE OPPOSITES.

Now you pit lovers- what should I say to my friend tomorrow??? This was a properly raised dog, wonderful- the " snap" is not even the brain- its like instinct as the two vets that exaimed the body... etc with allllllllllll the tests paid for by the state..... Its like living with a wild animal- you JUST NEVER know ever ever ever... Its in there... you just never know when the dragon will rear its head... and you need to know that... dont come back later and tell us stories of problems with this- you brought it on yourself.. YOU DID it- you took the breed in... YOU DID IT...

What should you say to your friend? Who knows - she's your friend we do not know this lady or this situation.

HOWEVER, home completey rude, ignorant, and heartless of you to say "don't come back later and tell us stories of problems..." Especially on a board you JUST joined. You do NOT even know half of the members here and you're certainly not putting down a good foot here. Many of us own Pit Bulls, Pit Bulls mixes, or hope to own the breed in the feature - again all of these dogs are perfectly sound.

WHATEVER HONEY, just whatever. Educate yourself before you open your mouth.

[caseysmom]

Yeah when she started saying maximus was in attack mode thats when I lost it.

I get protective of my friends, I consider Jadapit my friend and her girls are like my own...

[luvofallhorses]

Yeah when she started saying maximus was in attack mode thats when I lost it.

I get protective of my friends, I consider Jadapit my friend and her girls are like my own...

same here.