facts on dog foods

[Lady's Human]

You keep switching back and forth on this between "won in court" and a settlement with a gag order. Won in court would mean a trial, jury verdict, etc... which against a major company would have been published and easily found. A settlement is a different matter entirely, and is normally the company saying screw it, it's going to cost us more to go to court than settle it, and there are normally gag orders attached to that type of settlement.

Frankly, I don't believe the chain of events as you have posted them.

[borzoimom]

suit your self..

[borzoimom]

Yes it would make me angry if that's the case. Do you have any suggestions where I can find current information on that?

On what bluebird- what countries eat dogs and cats? Some of the Asian countries. They also have a ban on ethoxyquin.
If I remember right, its still banned in Canada and England. ( but they dont consume dogs and cats.. at least not to my knowledge. )

[Lady's Human]

The MSDS for ethoxyquin lists and LD-50 at 800mg/Kg acute oral toxicity. For such a "dangerous" product that is an unusually high LD-50. THe MSDS also lists no known carcinogenic effects, just contact irritation.

[borzoimom]

So does hydrogen peroxide, but if injested it will cause vomiting.
No offense, but I am supposed to be resting with major surgery coming this week.
I noticed alot of people were feeding raw, and felt safe to share my story with you all. Most are in a agreement. If what you are feeding works for you fine- mine does now, but really I am not interested in a witch hunt . Talk to you later on other posts- take care..

[Lady's Human]

Basically, if you can't back up the post with scientific facts, don't make the accusations.

BTW,H2O2 causes vomiting mainly because it is a base, mixing a base with acid causes the creation of gas, gas bloats the stomach and causes vomiting. (unless ingested in a strong enough concentration to cause tissue damage, then you have more to worry about than the vomiting)

[borzoimom]

I already have the facts. I know what I do and got what I got. Have a nice day...

[MajesticCollies]

Lady's HumanThe MSDS for ethoxyquin lists and LD-50 at 800mg/Kg acute oral toxicity. For such a "dangerous" product that is an unusually high LD-50. THe MSDS also lists no known carcinogenic effects, just contact irritation.

MSDS can vary from manufacturer to Manufacturer. Some also Say "Ethoxyquin may be harmful by ingestion and through skin contact, and "is" a skin and eye irritant. If anyone is really searching for a good dog food here is a catolog that will tell you everything (ingredient) that is in the product.
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/catalogue/catDog.pdf

[Lady's Human]

MSDS's are created from a centralized database, and have to be cross checked before publication, per OSHA. Multiple MSDS's can vary in wording, but CANNOT vary in hazard content.

[MajesticCollies]

Well I myself will stick with my Holistic Health and never worry about Preservatives. Not in food or treats. Dog food is a choice of the person. To each thier own I suppose.

[borzoimom]

MSDS can vary from manufacturer to Manufacturer. Some also Say "Ethoxyquin may be harmful by ingestion and through skin contact, and "is" a skin and eye irritant. If anyone is really searching for a good dog food here is a catolog that will tell you everything (ingredient) that is in the product.
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/catalogue/catDog.pdf

The one I have says the same thing. It was told that the one that states low was for use in small doses of application. When it was used for a few years in pesticide Roundup, they changed it to more toxic for handling etc.

[Lady's Human]

MSDS data depends on the concentration of the chemical in a given product. The MSDS I pulled the data from was from an MSDS for pure ethoxyquin.

[JenBKR]

I almost didn't reply to this thread, and maybe I shouldn't....I am so sick of some people on here saying what bad pet owners some of us are for feeding a high quality kibble instead of raw. Please, just stop I can understand if I was feeding something low quality, but I feed Chicken Soup for the Soul to my crew, which is a high quality food. Could you just please not be so condesending to those of us who do not choose to feed raw? Thank you.

[borzoimom]

I almost didn't reply to this thread, and maybe I shouldn't....I am so sick of some people on here saying what bad pet owners some of us are for feeding a high quality kibble instead of raw. Please, just stop I can understand if I was feeding something low quality, but I feed Chicken Soup for the Soul to my crew, which is a high quality food. Could you just please not be so condesending to those of us who do not choose to feed raw? Thank you.

chicken soup is great! I dont feed it because I cant have something that might sweel in the gut with a VERY LARGE chested breed here. But I love the content.
Right now, my dogs are on bil jac. I know it turns to mush and being unable to do the raw because of recent surgeries, at least I know they are getting a diet that doesnt swell, and I have a 9 year old that has been fed nothing but raw food, and I know its not a shock to him..
I love my dogs... and their health is more of concern even over mine..

[BETH ROBBINS]

I've been feeding Ultra, but I am switching to Royal Canin. It's not raw, but it's a high quality dog food.