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[Argranade]

Alicia,

It's ok if you feel sad or mad I mean its all part of growng up right?, I can have such lousy days or get realy pissed off at people I try my hardest not to take it out on others...but sadly that does not always work out then I cause a huge problem which I could have prevented.

For telling that other member to move,sure maybe it could have been said nicer but maybe it's filling up on you because so many new or even old members are doing this & you just wan't them to read where things are supposed to go...sadly not all members are going to remember this but then thats where we have to corect them in a nice way.

I'm not mad at all for you telling that member to move her post, it was a one time thing as I never heard you say it like that before, or maybe you didn't eveb relize what you where saying at the time from problems in your life so you just wrote what ever popped into your head (I do that alot).

People should have not got soo mad at you for that, what a respectable person would do is, try to ask you in a nice way why you typed it so mad like.

People jump to conclusions with out even thinking, Hello!! did anyone ever think maybe this girl is having a hard time in her life because people don't get mad for no reason...there is always a reason & maybe if someone would have tryed to talk nicer, things would have not turned into a fight.

''Think before you do!''

Don't worry Alicia things will get better, sometimes things get worse before they get better..and that can realy suck but we have to live with it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You want everyone to read this? Okay...

1.) Go to those English classes...your post contains so many errors...wrong word...grammar, spelling....you need the class far more than lunch with your friends...

2.) Life is full of choices and every choice has a consequence. Lots of piercing and tattoo...your choice....employers don't want to hire you...their choice (and NO...it is not illegal.)

3.) Have you apologized to Tim yet? Not given excuses ....APOLOGIZED....said..."I was rude and I am sorry?"
Because you were...rude that is. Starting a thread in what you consider the wrong place has to be the silliest thing about which to be rude.

[Alysser]

Terry and Pam, I am in complete agreement with you both. No one could have said it better.

Buttercup, I'm sorry your having issues in your life. Everyone has them and being rude to people on PT isn't going to help you with yours. It's really not an excuse.

[Vela]

Terry and Pam, I am in complete agreement with you both. No one could have said it better.

Buttercup, I'm sorry your having issues in your life. Everyone has them and being rude to people on PT isn't going to help you with yours. It's really not an excuse.

I agree and Alyssa I just wanted to say that for a long time now you have been a productive member of the younger group of people here and I for one want to thank you for being respectful, insightful, and pleasnt to have around.

We have ALL made comments we regret or should never have said, and as long as everyone can apologize and get past it PT can be a pleasant place. There need not be bickering and fighting. If someone says something they shouldn't have, apologize, let it go, and have a more pleasant day. Life is tough enough without having knockdowns on PT trying to see who can be the meanest on a given day.

[Alysser]

I agree and Alyssa I just wanted to say that for a long time now you have been a productive member of the younger group of people here and I for one want to thank you for being respectful, insightful, and pleasnt to have around.

Vela, thank you. You have helped with alot of peoples problems and always give wonderful advice.

Sorry, I never saw this.

[critter crazy]

2.) Life is full of choices and every choice has a consequence. Lots of piercing and tattoo...your choice....employers don't want to hire you...their choice (and NO...it is not illegal.)

exactly! you cannot blame people for not hiring , because you chose to do these things! It was your choice and now you must face the consequences of these actions. Find a diferent job, there are plenty out there.

[Argranade]

If Alicia wanted to do those things yes it was her choice,

That's so stupid not hiring someone because there freaking lip is peirced how pathetic... what next... ''Im sorry but we can no except you because you have green eyes we only take blue's''

[Kfamr]

That's so stupid not hiring someone because there freaking lip is peirced how pathetic... what next... ''Im sorry but we can no except you because you have green eyes we only take blue's''

I'm not going to bother with the original post but an employer has EVERY right not to hire someone for this reason. It certainly is not stupid.

I am a fan of body modifications but there is a time and place. A professional working environment certainly isn't the time or place. Now, if you'd like to work at a tattoo parlor, have at it!

[sasvermont]

I cannot tell you how ticked off some of these posts are getting me......and I will not allow myself to share my thoughts beyond just saying that I think it is time for Karen to step in and change something about who gets to post here and how old they need to be........ I don't know if age is really the problem here. The ignore thing only works so far.

I just am so fed up with lousy spelling and horribly constructed paragraphs of nothing but blabber.

I am very, very close to staying away from this place entirely. It was never like this before.

Such childish crap going on.

Karen, please. Give some of these morons the boot!

[catnapper]

If Alicia wanted to do those things yes it was her choice,

That's so stupid not hiring someone because there freaking lip is peirced how pathetic... what next... ''Im sorry but we can no except you because you have green eyes we only take blue's''

I have to disagree with you there. Companies spend lots of money each year surveying customer opinions, and customers have told many companies that they want to see clean, neat employees without tattoos or piercings. If you don't want to worry about taking out your piercings, then work at a place that promotes that look (example: Hot Topic).

This will not be the last time in your life that your looks will determine your job and how others see you. Remember the "old" movie Working Girl? Melanie Griffith had big 80's hair and dressed in tight clothes. She changed her look, and next thing you know she got the respect she wanted.

The hard fact is people judge you by your look, your words, your attitude, and your actions. If you feel everything is going wrong in your life right now, look inwards first then see if its something you can change. If its not, then you need to adapt to whatever circumstances life gave you and rise above it.

[Argranade]

The hard fact is people judge you by your look, your words, your attitude, and your actions. If you feel everything is going wrong in your life right now, look inwards first then see if its something you can change. If its not, then you need to adapt to whatever circumstances life gave you and rise above it.

That's the problem people only see what's on the outside & not the inside.

I like to wear black alot, sometime's people give me good looks then other time's it looks like there going to start getting mad at me, I have tried changing my colours more now so I won't get those looks.

I realy don't want to change my self for other people, I think thats silly.

It's not fair because of some tatoo's or piercings that young people can't get a job they want in life or would enjoy, In a way I find it very offensive because I would like a few tatoos when I get a bit older.

[JenBKR]

It's not fair because of some tatoo's or piercings that young people can't get a job they want in life or would enjoy, In a way I find it very offensive because I would like a few tatoos when I get a bit older.

Unfortunately, life is not fair. That's a hard lesson to learn. However, employeers have every right to not hire you because of piercings or tattoos. It is something that you just have to consider when you get the piercings and tattoos. Employeers want a professional looking environment, and in order to get that they need a professional looking staff. That's just life.

[critter crazy]

Its not that you are being told that you cannot have a tattoo or a piercing, it is just that you have to look at everything before you make this decision. I have 3 tattoos and a piercing and I have chosen to place them in areas where it will not be distasteful, and where they can be hidden if need be. You have to look at the whole picture! Even when joining the army, you are not allowed to have tattoos in certain areas or piercings! It is just the way it is!

[cmayer31]

I was a hiring manager for years and many companies have policy and procedure that lists what is and is not acceptable. In general if a position requires contact with the general public then piercings, not including ear piercings, must be removed or appropriately covered. Tattoos must be covered as well. In some cases the tattoo policy is less strict based on the appropriateness of the tattoo and the location; this is however determined by the manager and specific company.

The issue is that not everyone likes tattoos or piercings. For example, an elderly customer might not want help or to even associate with someone with visible piercings or numerous tattoos. Most restaurants are the same, that's why you'll notice servers with wraps on their arms. They are hiding their tattoos. One of my good friends puts a band-aid over her nose ring every day when she goes to work.

It's just the way it is. There are plenty of positions that are less strict on dress and appearance codes, but you have to find them and often they require more advanced degrees, such as office / research / field positions. Other places have been mentioned such as "trendy" merchandisers that are more than happy to allow piercings and tattoos.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You do not have to change for other people...you must simply accept the consequences of your choice.

The reality is we judge people all the time by the "outside." Suggesting that employers...or people in general not do so is simply silly and possible dangerous.

If I see someone coming down the street with a gun....I don't think I will take the time to find out what is on the inside.

Judging by what you see is a survival skill.

Isn't that what you did in your example? Judging people by your perception of the looks they have when seeing you?

Employers want...and have the right to expect...employees who behave a certain way, can talk and write correctly, can follow direction, etc. They want someone who is capable of performing the job that needs to be done. And that may mean not scaring off the customers.

They don't care what is on the inside. That is for your friends and lovers.