Kids At Jesus Camp

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

i was under the impression that the war against good and evil was over after the crusades, inquisitions, and witch trials had killed off all the non-believers.

2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

War : to me as a christian is not people fighting people.. just as i said... but against good and evil.... I believe in a spiritual war..

the so called evil people are ones who merely do not share your beliefs, yet the ones who do share similar beliefs ( jews, muslims, etc) are often pursecuted anyway, because you have the truth and they don't or whatever.

who are you speaking for? I never said evil were the ones who didn't share my beliefs. Anyone who has religious beliefs wether they be christian, muslim, jew, pagan are persecuted.... not just the ones who don't share my beliefs!

and for the record, god created everything, which means he created evil, which means that he is evil. god also created man in his image, which tells you alot about his character, or lack therof.

For the record????? What scripture or anything do you have to prove God created evil? What control did God take over Lucifer's thoughts when he decided he was greater than God... what control does God have over your thoughts and decisions?

When God created man in his image man was perfect and without sin! So that says A LOT about God's character.

[JenBKR]

2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

War : to me as a christian is not people fighting people.. just as i said... but against good and evil.... I believe in a spiritual war..



who are you speaking for? I never said evil were the ones who didn't share my beliefs. Anyone who has religious beliefs wether they be christian, muslim, jew, pagan are persecuted.... not just the ones who don't share my beliefs!




For the record????? What scripture or anything do you have to prove God created evil? What control did God take over Lucifer's thoughts when he decided he was greater than God... what control does God have over your thoughts and decisions?

When God created man in his image man was perfect and without sin! So that says A LOT about God's character.

Exactly! I also believe in the war between good and evil, but not a physical war. God created man in His image, giving us free will.....it was Adam and Eve who chose to commit the original sin. Man commits sin, not God.

[columbine]

Exactly! I also believe in the war between good and evil, but not a physical war. God created man in His image, giving us free will.....it was Adam and Eve who chose to commit the original sin. Man commits sin, not God.

That concept turns up in the Koran too (article here). War is a consequence that humans have faced from the beginning, and so a handy metaphor for the constant struggle against the enemy within (temptation to do wrong), but it's caused no end of suffering when taken literally. Whoops, wrong verb tense. It causes no end of suffering when taken literally.

Love, Columbine

[signorelli21]

[QUOTE=Sara luvs her Tinky]2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

War : to me as a christian is not people fighting people.. just as i said... but against good and evil.... I believe in a spiritual war..

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."
3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel." 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.

7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]

13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

NUMBERS CHAPTER 31




For the record????? What scripture or anything do you have to prove God created evil? What control did God take over Lucifer's thoughts when he decided he was greater than God... what control does God have over your thoughts and decisions?

god created everything, good and bad, if he created the good angels, then he created the bad ones. if he is omnipresent then he knew that the devil would be evil from the beggining. heres a verse from the book of job showing his influence over lucifers thoughts.

6 One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan [b] also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. 10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

12 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

job chapter 1


i didn't mean to offend you and i am sorry if i did.
the fun part about the bible ( i quoted the bible rather than the quaran because i know it the best) is that you can come back with verses from other parts of the bible to retort all of the ones i posted. but what i noticed from church and bible study is that verses are often taken out of context, and can be easily misinterpreted. it just seems silly to me that people only seem to acknowledge the good parts of the bible and ignore the rest and just blame it on satan, when in reality satan is just following orders.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

i didn't mean to offend you and i am sorry if i did.

you didn't....

I read your post... and the way i feel is people read the bible and of course interpret it differently... and we do! We will just have to agree to disagree!

[Lady's Human]

Satan following orders? I must have missed that part in Sunday school, bible study, etc.

The Old Testament and the New testament are two very different books, and without context it is impossible to take a verse or two and meaningfully prove a point.

[Cataholic]

All I remember from church camp (aka, VBS!) was lots of cool crafts, and SNACK!!!!!!

[JenBKR]

All I remember from church camp (aka, VBS!) was lots of cool crafts, and SNACK!!!!!!

Love love love VBS!! Sooo much fun

[Lady's Human]

Scriptures are taken out of context (Both historical context and religious context) all the time, and removing the verse from its context in many cases can twist the meaning. Why do people do it? For the same reason people take 10-20 words out of hour long speeches and ignore the rest of the speech. It's handy to prove points, and as long as no one does the research to find out the context, can easily sway arguments.

[Edwina's Secretary]

The Old Testament and the New testament are two very different books, and without context it is impossible to take a verse or two and meaningfully prove a point.

I admit to not understanding much of this...but if a verse or two cannot be taken to meaningfully prove a point (although I think "prove" might be a stretch in any case) why do people quote scriptures at all?

[Cataholic]

I admit to not understanding much of this...but if a verse or two cannot be taken to meaningfully prove a point (although I think "prove" might be a stretch in any case) why do people quote scriptures at all?

It is like quoting case law- makes me seem really, really important and smart?

[Edwina's Secretary]

But...LH....you said "impossible to take a verse or two and meaningfully prove a point."

So...if it is impossible to meaningfully prove a point....how is it

It's handy to prove points

I am so confused!!!!!

And doesn't "Prove" mean to establish the truth? And how do we establish the truth if we aren't there?

All this proving going on confuses me so.....