Kids At Jesus Camp

[Karen]

We do not know the truth of the camp from one article, nor even from the movie, according to a radio interview I heard with the woman who runs the camp. Keep in mind that the filmmaker has a point of view he is trying to get across, and that may color the truth.

[Edwina's Secretary]

We do not know the truth of the camp from one article, nor even from the movie, according to a radio interview I heard with the woman who runs the camp. Keep in mind that the filmmaker has a point of view he is trying to get across, and that may color the truth.

If this is the case, then we cannot believe anything anyone says as everyone has a "point of view."



I am terrifed of fundamentalism...whether it be christian, muslim or moon worshipper...



In a related article in this Sunday's paper I read some fundamentalists are now focused on outlawing birth control....(Terry Schiendler...however he spells it...for one...) as the root cause of abortion and most other evils....

Be afraid...very afraid...

[dukedogsmom]

Gotta love those crazy fundies.

[RICHARD]

I went ot Catholic School for 8 years..

"nuff said!

[signorelli21]

i found it interesting that so many people responded by saying that they would give their lives for jesus because he is their lord and savior.

anyway, sounds like a few of the camps i went to as a child.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

I don't think it is at all extreme.

You have to consider the author of that article.. which very much paints it to be extreme with their choice of wording.

I went to a penticostal church for about 4 years... and I can't tell you the number of times i was on the floor literally crying and praying for something i was passionate about. They were praying about abortion... it could have been a pet lover praying over a picture of their terminally ill cat... would it have been so extreme then?????

I get excited hearing about kids so passionate about Jesus!!!
And the lady telling them there is a war... well there is. A war against good and evil..... God and the Devil.

[jackie]

"It's no wonder with that kind of intense training in discipling (sic) that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam," Fischer said. "I want to see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are over in Pakistan and in Israel and Palestine and all those different places. Because we have, excuse me, but we have the truth."

This sounds sick, just what the world needs, more religious extremists.

[Pam]

I don't think it is at all extreme.

You have to consider the author of that article.. which very much paints it to be extreme with their choice of wording.

I went to a penticostal church for about 4 years... and I can't tell you the number of times i was on the floor literally crying and praying for something i was passionate about. They were praying about abortion... it could have been a pet lover praying over a picture of their terminally ill cat... would it have been so extreme then?????

I get excited hearing about kids so passionate about Jesus!!!
And the lady telling them there is a war... well there is. A war against good and evil..... God and the Devil.

Sara thank you for that. Although I have never heard of the Jesus camp, I believe there is probably more to it than we are reading. The only war I have ever heard of as a Christian is, like you say, the war between good and evil. I would have to know a lot more to judge them. There is an old hymn we sang years ago in church and is probably still sung today - - *Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.* It refers to the war against evil and that is all there is to it. I think the story is written to create hype and stir up criticism. Believe me, if it was teaching anything else I wouldn't agree either.

[popcornbird]

I don't think it is at all extreme.

You have to consider the author of that article.. which very much paints it to be extreme with their choice of wording.

One more thing. I don't think anyone would ever give that benefit of doubt to Muslims when they hear things on the news, portrayed by the author in an extreme way...

A war against good and evil..... God and the Devil.

Isn't that what war is about? Its a matter of perspective. In a war, both sides are fighting 'evil' on their part, and based on their perspective. Why else would they fight if they didn't believe they were fighting evil, or the people on the side of the 'devil'?

[caseysmom]

One more thing. I don't think anyone would ever give that benefit of doubt to Muslims when they hear things on the news, portrayed by the author in an extreme way...

PCB...I always look at the news as sort of being slanted toward muslims because I know many and know they are portrayed unfairly. I hate not being able to trusy any news.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

One more thing. I don't think anyone would ever give that benefit of doubt to Muslims when they hear things on the news, portrayed by the author in an extreme way...



Isn't that what war is about? Its a matter of perspective. In a war, both sides are fighting 'evil' on their part, and based on their perspective. Why else would they fight if they didn't believe they were fighting evil, or the people on the side of the 'devil'?

I'm sorry if you took my comments the wrong way.

Not *everyone* would give the benefit of doubt to muslims... but there are some who will. Every religion has their extremest.... and unfortunatly i believe muslims are in the spotlight now because of 9/11.. For some reason people want to hold onto their prejeduces (sp) without searching to find out what a person is really about. Espically the media... and people who write articles to persuade their readers that what they believe is the truth.

again.. and when i was speaking of war... i didn't mean a "physical" war.. but a spiritual war against good and evil... through prayer.. not fighting.

[signorelli21]

I get excited hearing about kids so passionate about Jesus!!!
And the lady telling them there is a war... well there is. A war against good and evil..... God and the Devil.

i was under the impression that the war against good and evil was over after the crusades, inquisitions, and witch trials had killed off all the non-believers.

its funny that people on the good side always talk about fighting evil when all they are really doing is fighting each other. how often do you see atheists or satanists ( real ones, members of the church of satan are glamor seekers, like people that pretend they are vampires.) blowing up abortion clinics, mass suicides, etc.

the so called evil people are ones who merely do not share your beliefs, yet the ones who do share similar beliefs ( jews, muslims, etc) are often pursecuted anyway, because you have the truth and they don't or whatever.

and for the record, god created everything, which means he created evil, which means that he is evil. god also created man in his image, which tells you alot about his character, or lack therof. teaching children anything other than how to make rational decisions and ask questions before coming to conclusions is similar to the nazi youth camps.
if all of your differing religions are so loving and perfect, why is it that all they seem to do is fight with each other, the theory is sound but the execution is terrible.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

i was under the impression that the war against good and evil was over after the crusades, inquisitions, and witch trials had killed off all the non-believers.

2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

War : to me as a christian is not people fighting people.. just as i said... but against good and evil.... I believe in a spiritual war..

the so called evil people are ones who merely do not share your beliefs, yet the ones who do share similar beliefs ( jews, muslims, etc) are often pursecuted anyway, because you have the truth and they don't or whatever.

who are you speaking for? I never said evil were the ones who didn't share my beliefs. Anyone who has religious beliefs wether they be christian, muslim, jew, pagan are persecuted.... not just the ones who don't share my beliefs!

and for the record, god created everything, which means he created evil, which means that he is evil. god also created man in his image, which tells you alot about his character, or lack therof.

For the record????? What scripture or anything do you have to prove God created evil? What control did God take over Lucifer's thoughts when he decided he was greater than God... what control does God have over your thoughts and decisions?

When God created man in his image man was perfect and without sin! So that says A LOT about God's character.

[mugsy]

I wonder is she is a member in good standing of Pychos R Us!

[Miss Z]

Because we have, excuse me, but we have the truth."

And there is the reason why I *personally* steer WELL clear of religion!