Kids At Jesus Camp

[Zippy]

Someone it sounds extrem(sp?)like praying over a geogre w.bush cutout but I would give my life for Jesus.He is my Lord and Saved Me.

[Catty1]

From Fiddler on the Roof:

Townsmans - "An eye for an eye - and a tooth for a tooth!"

Tevye - "Very good. That way the whole world will be blind and toothless."

If these were adults making their own decision - fine. But it is one adult running a very specific set of "lessons" for kids.

God help us.

Zippy, look up "Jonestown Massacre". Beware of people that create God in THEIR own image.

JMO

[JenBKR]

There is no question that I am a Christian...but that camp looks wayy extreme. To compare it to an extremist Muslim camp? That should say something about it right there. Shouting at kids "this is war?" Yikes! A bit scary IMO.

[caseysmom]

That is really scary.

[Zippy]

Zippy, look up "Jonestown Massacre". Beware of people that create God in THEIR own image.

I think that camp is horriable! It sounds like a cult. It also makes Christans look bad.
but I would give my life for Jesus my Lord and Savior.

[Karen]

We do not know the truth of the camp from one article, nor even from the movie, according to a radio interview I heard with the woman who runs the camp. Keep in mind that the filmmaker has a point of view he is trying to get across, and that may color the truth.

[Edwina's Secretary]

We do not know the truth of the camp from one article, nor even from the movie, according to a radio interview I heard with the woman who runs the camp. Keep in mind that the filmmaker has a point of view he is trying to get across, and that may color the truth.

If this is the case, then we cannot believe anything anyone says as everyone has a "point of view."



I am terrifed of fundamentalism...whether it be christian, muslim or moon worshipper...



In a related article in this Sunday's paper I read some fundamentalists are now focused on outlawing birth control....(Terry Schiendler...however he spells it...for one...) as the root cause of abortion and most other evils....

Be afraid...very afraid...

[dukedogsmom]

Gotta love those crazy fundies.

[RICHARD]

I went ot Catholic School for 8 years..

"nuff said!

[mugsy]

I wonder is she is a member in good standing of Pychos R Us!

[Karen]

If this is the case, then we cannot believe anything anyone says as everyone has a "point of view."

My point is not that we can never believe what anyone says, because everyone has a point of view.

My point is that, before forming a strong opinion, one should to get to the facts of the matter, which probably means gathering information from different sources. Yes, that's "work," but it is the responsibility of thinking human beings.

My mother was a journalist who belived that opinion belonged on the Op Ed pages, and nowhere else in a newspaper. A true journalist should never taint the story with their own opinions, should cover, for example, candidates from both parties without you - the reader, being able to tell whether the reporter writing it was a Republican, Democrat, or Independent. She was sad to see the huge increase of "opinion" creeping into news stories, and that was back in the 1980s and 1990s!

[Edwina's Secretary]

My point is not that we can never believe what anyone says, because everyone has a point of view.

My point is that, before forming a strong opinion, one should to get to the facts of the matter, which probably means gathering information from different sources. Yes, that's "work," but it is the responsibility of thinking human beings.

My mother was a journalist who belived that opinion belonged on the Op Ed pages, and nowhere else in a newspaper. A true journalist should never taint the story with their own opinions, should cover, for example, candidates from both parties without you - the reader, being able to tell whether the reporter writing it was a Republican, Democrat, or Independent. She was sad to see the huge increase of "opinion" creeping into news stories, and that was back in the 1980s and 1990s!

A documentary film maker is not what I would call a journalist!

The guy who made the documentary on the evils of fast food (Supersize Me, I think???) had an agenda as well... but I don't believe I need to study the publications of the trans fatty trade group in order to be a thinking human being about the issue...or before forming a strong opinion on the subject!

And why do you assume creep in the report about the documentary?

[JenBKR]

but I would give my life for Jesus my Lord and Savior.

I agree!

[Blue_Frog]

The 'crying to god' part got me remembering. I was in College, and had a friend who kept trying to get me to go to 'youth group' on a friday night. He asked me - very friendly - almost every week, but I was always busy, and not at all religious so just really didn't have the interest. One friday I turned out to be free. So I agreed to go, while keeping an open mind about the whole thing.

Everything seemed fairly normal (based on previous youth groups i had attended with friends as a one-off visit) - people chatting, etc.

Once the person (minister, leader, whatever?) showed up and started preaching, there were kids (this was a group for like 8-25yo) screaming, crying, talking in tongues (seriously), and falling to the floor crying out to god and jesus and such.

I left - i couldn't handle it. I was still friends with the guy for the rest of college, but I never went back to youth group.

This article kind of reminded me of that - the whole atmosphere. To each their own I guess, but it was rather disconcerting watching a 10 year old boy rolling on the floor speaking in tongues and crying.

[areias]

The camp seems to be very extreme. To each is own though, I suppose, as long as the parents know what their kids are getting into.

But these paragraphs in the article made me cringe, it has a very bad choice of words:

"If you look at the world's population, one third of that 6.7 billion people are children under the age of 15," Fischer said. "Where should we be putting our efforts? Where should we be putting our focus? I'll tell you where our enemies are putting it. They're putting it on the kids. They're going into the schools."

Fischer went on to say that Muslims in other countries are taking their kids to camps like "we take our kids" to bible camps. She said Muslims are teaching their kids to use rifles, how to put on bomb belts and to use machine guns.

"It's no wonder with that kind of intense training in discipling (sic) that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam," Fischer said. "I want to see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are over in Pakistan and in Israel and Palestine and all those different places. Because we have, excuse me, but we have the truth."

No no no, I wouldn't say "Muslims". I would say terrorists, extremists, etc. You cannot lump a race together and make that statement. A good majority of the Muslims aren't sending their kids to camps to come kill themselves over here. They WILL defend themselves if necessary, but...that just bothered me.