Woman possibly to be arrested for saving a dog: Help Tammy and Doogie!!

[flip195]

Whether or not they were contacted is irrelevant. What is relevant is that she removed the dog from the owner's property without the owner's permission. In 50 States in the Good Ole' US of A - that is called STEALING.

Now, I don't know about your police department - but where I live the police arrest people who steal. Then you go before a judge and things progress from there.

I stand by my original post. If Ms. Grimes had been forthcoming about information from the vet - then maybe the judge would have let her go home without posting bail. BUT, she is getting way more publicity this way.

I am all for animal rights and I don't think that animals should be chained up and neglected. BUT - I am not alright in using an animal for personal gain ie: for publicity purposes.

She offered the Video's, the pictures, the vet report, the witness statements to the police, they did not even want to look at them, they wanted her to return the dog to the abusers so he could die cold and alone on the wet ground on the end of a chain.
If we are going to talk about upholding the law lets talk of why the abusers have not been charged.

[LilacDragon]

According to the information I have, she has not offered any of those things to police or had not when this story first broke.

Hey - I am not the enemy, I am just saying - when you break the law, no matter why you do it, you need to be prepared to pay the consequences.

[flip195]

According to the information I have, she has not offered any of those things to police or had not when this story first broke.

Hey - I am not the enemy, I am just saying - when you break the law, no matter why you do it, you need to be prepared to pay the consequences.

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Again, there was no interest in any evidence that the dog had been abused or criminally neglected. As far as they were concerned, the dog's safety or condition was not even an issue.

[Lady's Human]

One, this REALLY looks like a grandstand ploy to get attention. The website miraculously updated with numerous videos, pics, the credit card donations and 1-800 numbers, etc. The phone numbers for media, legal authorities, etc.

This isn't a little lone woman out in the woods doing good deeds. (Not disputing the deeds, just the intent). If she really tried, I'm willing to bet she could have accomplished the same goal (helping doogie) WITHOUT getting arrested, WITHOUT all the media, etc.

Someone wanted some attention, and did what she had to do to get it.

[flip195]

If it makes more animal abusers wake up and smell the coffee I am all for it, going public in a big way, god knows everytime they close down a puppymill the call goes out for media cover, donations, etc, how is this any different??? , or is it just because it is a SMALL 501c3 agencyas compared to the HSUS

[Lady's Human]

Doesn't make a difference to me whether they are PETA, HSUS, or the shelter down the street. Manipulating the legal system to get media attention is wrong, period.

[cmayer31]

I'm glad that Doogie was rescued from his dire situation. However, in this case I'm not so sure that Tammy went about matters in the correct way; I'll get back to this in a second. I'm disgusted that the AC, humane society, police ect. did not act on this matter. I don't know 100% of the story, but if it is true that none of these groups reacted then that is truly sad on their part.

Now to Tammy's approach. It really hasn't shown animal abusers whose wrong. In my opinion it has actually kind of back fired. Here's my thought pattern: Bad owner doesn't provide a proper home or care for his/her dog. Member of a rescue group comes and saves dog. Police come and arrest rescue lady. Negligent owners now have a dog that they don't care about removed from their property the easy way. Negligent owners are not in jail and most of the public focus will be on rescue lady, dog, humane society, and police, but not on them. Rescue lady is in jail and has probably really annoyed local law enforcement with her actions/motives.

Hopefully this will help neglected pets, and will help make sure that law enforcement is on the side of humane societies, rescues, and those who care about animals. However, I truly believe that we are not getting 100% of the story in this case. It has been said before; people don't get locked away in jail instantly. If she was in jail why wouldn't they be asking to help post bail, or for legal fees to hire a good attorney? I think the story is real, I think Doogie is real and in much better hands, but I think the story is written and displayed very 1 sided and to feed off the raw emotion of animal lovers. I'd be interested to see all public records, prior actions for this specific case, responses by law enforcement ect. There are always 2 sides to every coin.

[LilacDragon]

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Again, there was no interest in any evidence that the dog had been abused or criminally neglected. As far as they were concerned, the dog's safety or condition was not even an issue.

The information that I have came from a reliable source who called and talked to the arresting officer.

I have "liberated" a dog or two in my life and I can promise you that I kept it as quiet as possible. The dogs were left alone, chained with no food, shelter or water. Had the police knocked on my door, then I would have given them the evidence that I had, the dog and demanded that the situation was investigated.

Sorry, but I have met the local representative of Dogs Deserve Better and I was unimpressed. While I agree that dogs should not lived chained in a yard, I do think that there are ways to deal with the issue that do not include stealing people's pets.

[Lady's Human]

or is it just because it is a SMALL 501c3

This is NOT a small 501c3.

They evidently have reps in all states. Somewhat curious for a chartered non profit working in the area of animal abuse not to know the statutes in their home state? The post above where it states that a chartered animal abuse agency can request a warrant?

THe deeper I look, the more this stinks.

[Luvin Labs]

She should post up the veterinary report on Doogie to her site (blacking out the vet contact information) as well as a statement from the people who saw Doogie.

[Cataholic]

I just want to go on record by saying that I am GLAD she removed a dog from this abusive situation. I might have done the same thing. And, btw, stealing is a legal term of art. If she didn't have the requsite mental intent to deprive the rightful owner of the dog, she didn't 'steal'. AND, there are 'emergency' type regulations, ordinances, laws, that provide for rescue type situations, something she prolly could take advantage of at the time of trial. Last, IF what she is saying is accurate, there shouldn't be a single problem with standing before a Judge on these charges.

I tend to agree that this is the sort of thing that can make people stand up and notice. I wondered why she didn't call a local news team to come out and videotape the situation? That would have gotten the law enforcement people up and moving.

In any event, if she ceased the suffering of one more animal, I stand behind her. But, when you take the law into your own hands, you gotta be ready for the "riot".