I would have loved to see the Presiden'ts face after reading this....

[LilacDragon]

I find it interesting that some seem to think that a President who's only major problem was he couldn't keep his pants on - he did manage to balance the budget and put us in the black for the first time that I can remember - is some paragon of ineptitude while praising the current administration.

And yet a President who lied to get us into a war, sent troops to war with inferior equipment, uses religion as a reason to sign laws, has put us so far into debt that I doubt my great grandchildren will find relief, and has all but handed our country over to big business is made out to be such a great guy.

I have never voted for a Bush in my life and if Jeb gets elected President then I will seriously consider becoming a Canadian citizen.

And yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I have never voted for a Bush in my life and if Jeb gets elected President then I will seriously consider becoming a Canadian citizen.

And yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions.

Yes, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.

By the way, lots of people threatened to leave if Bush were elected. He was and they didn't. I wouldn't want you to go either.

[LilacDragon]

Yes, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.

By the way, lots of people threatened to leave if Bush were elected. He was and they didn't. I wouldn't want you to go either.

LOL! I probably wouldn't but I sure would think long and hard before I dismissed the idea. Being married to a military man, and being a veteran myself, the thought of leaving one's country is pretty serious.

[BOBS DAD]

LOL! I probably wouldn't but I sure would think long and hard before I dismissed the idea. Being married to a military man, and being a veteran myself, the thought of leaving one's country is pretty serious.

I hadn't seen your quote and now after reading, I am glad that someone who is and was military personnel have made it known - and have doubted this President at the same time. Somehow, it has always been painted on 2 different canvasses.

If you think that this President and his administration have made a terrible mess of things, then you must be unpatriotic - and definitely not military material!!!

I have had Uncles and a father serve in all branches of the military with 3 of my Uncles dying in batlle (WWII and Korea). My cousins and brother served in Vietnam. Most (not all) are in agreement that we can do better than GWB as a nation and the leader of the free world!

[LilacDragon]

I hadn't seen your quote and now after reading, I am glad that someone who is and was military personnel have made it known - and have doubted this President at the same time. Somehow, it has always been painted on 2 different canvasses.

If you think that this President and his administration have made a terrible mess of things, then you must be unpatriotic - and definitely not military material!!!

I have had Uncles and a father serve in all branches of the military with 3 of my Uncles dying in batlle (WWII and Korea). My cousins and brother served in Vietnam. Most (not all) are in agreement that we can do better than GWB as a nation and the leader of the free world!

I don't think that disagreeing with the administration makes one unpatriotic. I used my vote in the manner that I deemed right. That gives me the right to speak my mind about things that I disagree with so far as how my government does things. Our soldiers agree to defend our freedoms and they include oh, so many things. What would be unpatriotic would be if our soldiers walked away from their duty when they disagreed with the Commander in Chief. Loyalty to Country isn't about loyalty to a man - it is about loyalty to the regular people and a way of life.

My BIL was in Iraq a couple of years ago as a tank driver. He was pulled off his tank for some reason right before a mission and his tank was blown up, killing his entire crew including his best friend. He is currently retraining as Airborne. My husband just returned (he is National Guard) and was awarded a Purple Heart for an injury he recieved when his unit was fired upon in the Anbar Province.

My Grandfather's both served in WWII. My mother's father is buried in Belgium.

Oh, I was Air Force for several years, way back when I was young.

[BOBS DAD]

Lilac,

did you understand "my" post. I hope you did "not" think I was challenging you or your patriotism!!! Heavens NO - QUITE THE CONTRARY!!! I was commending you and saying that I was glad that someone like you and your family (someone with current military experience) was OK with expressing general disapproval of this administration and it's handling of many matters.

It adds a little credence to your position. It seems that many who are in complete support of GWB seem to suggest that those of us who are not - must be unpatriotic - or definitely not militray people. I just wanted to say that that is certainly not the case. That many of us have been in or have many family members involved in the military, and we can be and are patriotic. But most importantly, that we can be all of that - and still be allowed to disagree with the President's handling of our country's affairs.

And Mom...
Wow... I feel for you and your misfortunes. I know what it is like to be poor (I grew up in poverty with my family and know the pain of being looked down upon). But I can't yet understand your position on Clinton and/or Bush. I generally believe that if it were up to the GWB's of the world that you would be totally on your own. It would be up to you, your family and local charitable groups to look out for you. Forget that you worked for 25 years... that was then and this is now! GOVERNMENT needs to "get out of people's personal lives" is their mantra. ...and Oh Yeah, give people back their AK47's - cause that is important!!!

Ironically, it is the Bill Clinton's (with his own demons and vices) that believe in social programs and the payback deserved to honest, hardworking Americans who through no fault of their own, can no longer fend for themselves. As for the countries who hate us... your solution is to what... blow them up before they blow us up. Violence begets violence. Of course we need to be prudent and protect ourselves by every means imaginable, but again, GW has no unique answers to this age old dilemna.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

As for the countries who hate us... your solution is to what... blow them up before they blow us up. Violence begets violence. Of course we need to be prudent and protect ourselves by every means imaginable, but again, GW has no unique answers to this age old dilemna.

Now, I never said a word about blowing anyone up.
BUT we do need to have a stronger defense system in place where if we are being attacked, we can defend ourselves.

There used to be what was called "fail safe" where military planes were continually in the air monitoring the coasts. If there was a missile of any kind heading toward the US, they could notify NORAD (which has sense been closed down) and they could shoot the missile down. Maybe there needs to be more than one red button in the oval office. I don't know what the answer is but I do know sitting on our behinds and not doing anything is not the answer either.

As for GW, I don't agree with everything he has done. If fact when the Medicare drug cards came out, they were a nightmare. But now, the bugs are being worked out. I'm on 4 meds for my blood pressure that I couldn't afford to take without the card. So SOME things are working out right.
By the way: How can you think they want to get out of people's personal lives when they are the ones wanting to tap everyone's phone and email?)

As for Clinton, I'm sorry but if a person has the morals of an alley cat, I just don't trust them. Of course, I may be biased because both men I were engaged to, cheated on me. I don't need a cheating President too!!!
I do admire Hillary for not kicking him to the curb like I would have done. If she runs, who knows?