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    I don't have any advice to add to the other posts but I wanted to tell you that I really feel for you. This must be about to drive you crazy. I know it would really bother me if my girls got that bad. I do have a similar situation but I've seen no blood(yet). I have two Chis also-both female. I got Daisy first as a tiny puppy(she's the small one), while I still had my RB, Killer(another female Chi). After I lost Killer, I adopted Delilah(larger one) from an elderly woman-she was two years old. I took Daisy with me to meet Delilah for the first time. Daisy loved Delilah and they got along great for awhile. Suddenly, Daisy seemed to try to take on the alpha dog role and began to bully Delilah for really no reason. They have had a couple of bad fights and one really bad one. I had to pull them apart. The only thing I can figure is that Daisy is in some pain occasionally with the luxated patella in her back leg. Perhaps she strikes out at Delilah because of it. On the other side of the coin, Delilah will sometimes take a dominate role over Daisy, as if she's paying her back. Delilah is such a sweetheart, I don't think she would ever have started instigating the fights if Daisy hadn't shown aggression first. So, in reality, like your Chis, my smallest one is the main player in instigation as well. It's very frustrating and it makes you feel helpless. I wish you the best and hope you find a solution very soon.
    p.s. I would love to see pictures of them.


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    Thank you for your post. Now, I do not feel as if I am alone. You know exactly how bad it is when those little dogs get into it! Is this a characterstic of Chis, or females? The other female, a Rottie mix, pretty much stays out of it and is a mellow dog -- a low growl or a stern look and the other dogs leave her alone. I do love both my Chis., but my husband is making noises as if we need to find a good, NEW home for one of them . If I keep them apart for long periods of time, it just seems to make it worse, as if the little Sophia has been saving up all day to get in the larger Queenie's face. I might add that Queenie is constantly by my side and at my feet, around the house and yard and during walks, but lately Sophia has started to run around me, ahead of me, is leaning on me, etc. and she needs constant reminding as to who is the leader. I think Sophia may be trying to make a bid for a higher status. It is driving me CRAZY! I will definately consider all of the suggestions presented here. Once again, Pet Talk members have proved an invaluable source of great ideas and supprt.

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    Sorry, I forgot to mention it earlier but.....Hi and welcome to Pet Talk!! My name is Terry and Mom to the fabulous Daisy and Delilah I don't know if this is characteristic behavior for Chis--male or female. I would love to know. I think Chis are pretty territorial, so it's quite possible. They aren't the easiest dogs to train either. No matter what you're trying to teach them. They're stubborn, head strong, and feisty, among other things Maybe their natural personalities make them like this? I'm not sure about any of it now that I think about it. I'm shocked that your Chis get along with your other dogs. My girls don't get along well with large dogs at all. Everytime they see my kid's dogs, they're so hyper and barky, I have to seperate them quickly. However, most of the time, they're pretty good girls and a pleasure to be around. I did think of one more thing. Did your girls start their original fighting when food was involved? I know D and D's first fight was over something I was eating. Even though food wasn't necessarily involved after that, the growling and "toothy grins" got worse. The only thing I usually have to do is speak to them firmly and authoritative and they stop. Believe me-I feel your pain and hope you don't have to rehome either of them. Please keep us posted and again, good luck with the problem.
    p.s. Daisy gets the maddest at Delilah when Delilah tries to nicely kiss her--Delilah kisses her sister's face and Daisy's teeth come out. Delilah is a bit excessive with the "kisses"


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    Imagine that -- a Chi licking! That, I know, is one characterstic of the breed. Sophia drives evewryone absolutely insane with her "kissing." The two Chis pretty much hang together, although they do play with the other dogs and they enjoy teasing the cat, until Fluffy has had enough . I cannot rememer what their first fight was over, but they ended up under a king-sized bed and it was awful, trying to get them out and separated. Sophia was pretty bloodied up that time, although it always looks worse than it is. What I have done so far is remind Sophia that I am the boss and kept both dogs off my lap and away from my side . It seems to be working -- fingers crossed! Thanks again!

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    How exactly do you "remind them who's boss"? Being boss doesn't just mean being taller and stronger. Being Alpha requires further mental manipulation. Have you any experience with Nothing In Life Is Free (NILIF)? NILIF is a simple training methodology that allows you to assert your position as alpha by requiring the dog to perform for ANYTHING he/she wants. If she wants to eat, she better be willing to sit beforehand or else she's going to starve for the day. Dogs will most likely submit to you before anything that drastic occurs, but NILIF is supposed to be a gentle way to assert your position.

    5. NILIF -- Nothing in life is free. This means the dog must PERFORM to get anything it wants. For Gypsy, because we were trying to reduce dominance that was already present, I chose to use the "down" command because it requires her to throw herself into the most submissive posture available. I have since started peppering "sits" into the program, just to keep her paying attention -- but the dominance problem is long gone, so I'm less concerned with how submissive she is. "Wanna cookie?" -- nothing in life is free, so the dog must "down" on command for the cookie. (BTW -- when you start introducing NILIF, carry food AT ALL TIMES -- you're still rewarding the dog for submitting - this is NONCONFRONTATIONAL. Reward for a LONG time, then wean off food sporadically, but still praise the behavior.) "Wanna go outside?" - dog must "down". "Wanna drink of water?" -- that's right. You're catching on. The dog gets NO freebies. She must *earn* everything -- food (you should see her slam her body on the floor for dinner!), play, petting, water, going out, going for a r-i-d-e, getting T-R-E-A-T-S, coming inside. Gypsy even has to "earn" the right to work on the agility equipment ... partly because I think it helps her attitude ("Ohboyohboyohboy, Alpha-mom made me down, I must be about to do something Good"), and partly because she's so excited to be there that she needs the extra control.

    BTW -- there are other non-confrontational ways to establish dominance. Ignore a dog when it tries to initiate play -- and as soon as it gives up, you initiate the game yourself. Alpha dogs decide when the pack plays, and when it hunts. And I *do* like the idea of teaching a puppy or a dog to roll on its back and accept petting ... but it doesn't have to be a battle.
    Also, I have heard that females tend to be more nippy than males, but I know this does not hold true for every breed. I've been through this with my dogs too, so I can feel your pain!

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    Thank you for your informative post. It really means a different way of looking at the dog-human relationship, doesn't it? With four dogs, plus a crabby old cat in the mix, it is going to be time consuming to attempt this approach, but I guess no more time cosuming than breaking up fights, wondering what I am doing wrong, and staying on top of all of the behaviors I do not want.

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    Just a few follow ups...

    NILIF is definitely a wonderful way to go because, as Giselle said, it is a gentle way to assert yourself as the leader and the dogs learn that you are the owner of all the good things and they have to please you in order to earn them. Plus, it can boost their confidence. When we first got Ginger home she was an absolute basket case, afraid of everything. She growled in fear of my husband for the first two weeks we had her. We almost gave her away but decided we needed to stick it out. Then, a month or two after we got her I learned about NILIF and boy did it make a difference! Ginger started gaining confidence because she was learning and performing and getting rewarded.

    When it comes to being the pack leader, it's definitely not an easy thing to do for most people. I'm the same way you are when I come home and have been away from my babies all day, all I want to do is cuddle and play with them, even though I know I shouldn't. I've had behaviorists and my vet tell me that the best thing to do when you leave and enter the house is to just ignore the dogs. Especially when returning home, just walk in and go about your business for at least 5 minutes or so. Then, when the dogs are calmed down, call them to you for petting and affection (but make them sit first!). It's totally opposite of how we humans are, but it communicates a simple, direct message to the dogs that you are the alpha, you come and go as you please and they can't demand your attention but you can demand theirs. And they're ok with it. Despite the emotions we put on our dogs, they're programmed to accept a pack hierarchy so acting that way is just natural to dogs and they accept and understand it.

    I have to admit, though, that I am definitely not consistent with this. it's so hard when I see their happy little tails wagging when I walk in the door! I guess that's my one little spot to not follow the rules.

    As far as these efforts being time consuming, I suppose they are. But like you said, not any more time consuming than dealing with all the problem behaviors. The trick is just to make it a part of your daily routine. Even though I'm bad about wanting to love on my dogs right when I walk in the door, I do try to have rules of behavior for every activity. And as time has gone on, I've found that it doesn't really take the dogs all that long to learn the rules, and once they learn them, as long as I am consistent in asking them to do the same things every time it ends up making things so nice and structured and mannerly! They learn to anticipate things like meal time and go straight to their spot and sit and wait for dinner like they know I want them to. When I reach for the leashes, they know to sit and wait for me to put the leashes on. Not jumping all over me getting all excited. So it does take a time investment to train the new behaviors and stick with them their whole lives, but in the long run your life ends up being much happier and your home much more tranquil.

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    Nature of the Breed

    Having owned a Chihuahua I can tell you that they are just naturally inclined to be aggressive if they feel their space or position is being threatened. It is also why I will not own another Chihuahua. Having said that, owners and their family members are to blame for some of the snarling and biting due to teasing the dog or thinking nipping and baring teeth us somehow funny.

    However, they are, IMHO, the Pit Bulls of the small dog world. No other small dog, with the possible exception of the Dachshund, behaves like this. I have had multiple experiences with other small dog breeds and Chihuahuas are the only breed I have dealt with that needs to be taught how to be nice.

    Who needs the aggravation? Next dog I get will be a Yellow Lab or an English Bulldog. I want calmness in a pet not WWF Summer Smackdown pro-wrestling. Make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimMc View Post
    Having owned a Chihuahua I can tell you that they are just naturally inclined to be aggressive if they feel their space or position is being threatened. It is also why I will not own another Chihuahua. Having said that, owners and their family members are to blame for some of the snarling and biting due to teasing the dog or thinking nipping and baring teeth us somehow funny.

    However, they are, IMHO, the Pit Bulls of the small dog world. No other small dog, with the possible exception of the Dachshund, behaves like this. I have had multiple experiences with other small dog breeds and Chihuahuas are the only breed I have dealt with that needs to be taught how to be nice.

    Who needs the aggravation? Next dog I get will be a Yellow Lab or an English Bulldog. I want calmness in a pet not WWF Summer Smackdown pro-wrestling. Make sense?
    It does make sense - as a matter of fact, my buddy who is a veterinarian in Florida - where they are an extremely popular - calls them "lap alligators" none to fondly. Even pit bulls are usually better behaved!
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