Mom is refusing to belive me about raw.

[bckrazy]

"There is no benefit of feeding raw over a high quality commercial dog food."

Aha ahahaha. Ha.

I'm sorry, but that incredible blanket statement just made me giggle. I've heard of/met waaay too many sick kibble-fed dogs that have done a 180 on Raw to even consider commenting on that. And also what it has done for my pups!

Aren't we all at PT to not only discuss and share the love for our dogs, but also to learn more? As long as members are not giving out false or misleading information, why is that a problem? Didn't you notice that myself and others actually advised the OP to continue researching before switching to a Raw diet!? It's not like all the Raw-feeders jumped on her and said "Ohhh it's fine just throw some chicken at your dog." Not at all.

The only thing I truly tire of, is (I am not speaking of PT in particular, other boards & groups as well) people who actually discourage researching premium kibbles & Raw diets. People who say "If your dog looks OK to you eating grocery story food, stick with that!". It's crazy. Being well-informed and educating yourself in ANY area of our pets' health/behavior/life should be encouraged, IMO.

About every kibble recommendation thread mentioning Raw, so what? If that is what you feed, and you have seen wonderful results, why not recommend feeding it to others? Anyway, that is seriously an exaggeration... I just went to Dog Health and found p l e n t y of threads that do not even mention it, only recommendations for kibbles. I recommend kibble that in my experience are good quality (with studying nutrition, working at a feed store with a Vet as my manager, and feeding Gonzo a variety of foods over the years) all the time. I feed kibble occasionally. But I will never give up the benefits of Raw to both of my boys, Gonzo especially has done incredibly well on it! I did not even know how healthy he *could* be, until I switched to Raw. Of COURSE I would want to share that with others, and emphatically encourage them to research it & see if it's possible for them, because I want them to experience all of those benefits as well.

[Vela]

"There is no benefit of feeding raw over a high quality commercial dog food."

Aha ahahaha. Ha.

I'm sorry, but that incredible blanket statement just made me giggle. I've heard of/met waaay too many sick kibble-fed dogs that have done a 180 on Raw to even consider commenting on that. And also what it has done for my pups!

Aren't we all at PT to not only discuss and share the love for our dogs, but also to learn more? As long as members are not giving out false or misleading information, why is that a problem? Didn't you notice that myself and others actually advised the OP to continue researching before switching to a Raw diet!? It's not like all the Raw-feeders jumped on her and said "Ohhh it's fine just throw some chicken at your dog." Not at all.

The only thing I truly tire of, is (I am not speaking of PT in particular, other boards & groups as well) people who actually discourage researching premium kibbles & Raw diets. People who say "If your dog looks OK to you eating grocery story food, stick with that!". It's crazy. Being well-informed and educating yourself in ANY area of our pets' health/behavior/life should be encouraged, IMO.

About every kibble recommendation thread mentioning Raw, so what? If that is what you feed, and you have seen wonderful results, why not recommend feeding it to others? Anyway, that is seriously an exaggeration... I just went to Dog Health and found p l e n t y of threads that do not even mention it, only recommendations for kibbles. I recommend kibble that in my experience are good quality (with studying nutrition, working at a feed store with a Vet as my manager, and feeding Gonzo a variety of foods over the years) all the time. I feed kibble occasionally. But I will never give up the benefits of Raw to both of my boys, Gonzo especially has done incredibly well on it! I did not even know how healthy he *could* be, until I switched to Raw. Of COURSE I would want to share that with others, and emphatically encourage them to research it & see if it's possible for them, because I want them to experience all of those benefits as well.

I agree with the above. I also have no problem with people feeding kibble, or raw, I just feel that there is always more to learn, and why NOT try to find out more information about dog foods and your dog's health so you can provide the best? I see people against raw bashing the heck out of it and yet honestly, if you haven't tried it for yourself, why are you bashing it? I feed a mostly raw and kibble diet. I use Innova Evo on days when I need to, and they do fine with that. All dog food is NOT created equal, and people saying feed whatever dog kibble is all the same, that it doesn't matter what is in it is just not even an intelligent statement in any manner. Yes dogs do fine on kibble, but dogs do great on raw, and often times have fewer health problems. ANYTHING you feed your dog ought to be looked into and researched. KIbble is not just kibble, there are so many different kinds, and some of that stuff is horrible for a dog's health. That does not make all kibble bad, but there is a vast difference in the health of dogs just based on what is fed. Someone who feeds a lower quality dog food thinks their dog is doing fine, but unless they TRY something else, whether it's a higher quality kibble with better ingredients, raw, home cooked, whatever, they have no idea how different their dog COULD be doing and in most cases how much better their health could be. I'm not pushing any diet, for ME raw works best but "gasp" I also feed kibble on occasion. I take issue with the dog food companies trying to push garbage on peopel as quality dog food but I also take issue with people being blind, when there is so much information available, and not even trying to see if there is somehting better and just blatantly bashing something they know nothing about because THEY don't feed it or do it. I'm not pushing raw, I am interested in everyone feeding their dogs the best they can for its health, because every dog deserves to feel its best. I have always said that people should research what they feed their dog and feed what they feel best about. I for one have never bashed anyone for feeding kibble or raw, but I have emphasized the need to research and try to feed the best foods you can based on ingredients. I see no harm in suggesting that.

[Lady's Human]

BcK,

It is the false and misleading information that drives me nuts, not the discussions about raw or premium kibbles.

[dragondawg]

Didn't you notice that myself and others actually advised the OP to continue researching before switching to a Raw diet!? It's not like all the Raw-feeders jumped on her and said "Ohhh it's fine just throw some chicken at your dog." Not at all...People who say "If your dog looks OK to you eating grocery story food, stick with that!". It's crazy.

Let's see if we got the progression right:

1. Advocate raw feeding, but of course research it before starting.
2. If anyone advocates the evil commercial food as being equal based on the dog's apperance then they are crazy.

But let's focus on the statement

It's not like all the Raw-feeders jumped on her and said "Ohhh it's fine just throw some chicken at your dog." Not at all.

and do a tie in to this one from another poster

Yes dogs do fine on kibble, but dogs do great on raw, and often times have fewer health problems.

Let's see now I look at my two 3-yr old dogs and see their coats in good condition, ideal weight, high energy levels, no allergies, no metabolic problems, no reoccuring infections. What have I left out? The Vet says they are in excellent health. Question: Is it possible to have fewer health problems than no health problems? But yet based on your criteria both the Vet and I must be crazy, because it's just impossible that my dogs have no known health problems. How could one have fewer than none, feeding that evil commercial dog food?

I chuckle at the almost religious zeal with no scientific basis that is used to discredit those who would dare to think a commercial dog food is equivalent to raw feeding. I have been told here that I am crazy for thinking my dogs are healthy (by looking at them), and that they could be doing so much better implying that I could be doing better by my dogs. In another thread I have someone telling me that meat by-products and corn in a dog food makes it a bad dog food. Therefore not only am I falling short on their care, but now I'm feeding them a bad dog food to boot! It gets better with every thread. I wouldn't doubt that someday I'll read that feeding dogs a commercial dog food is the equivalent of abusing your dog. LOL But then again I take comfort in knowing that no one can disprove the statement: There is no benefit of feeding raw over a high quality commercial dog food.

[Vela]

LOL whatever floats your boat dude, have fun with the chip on your shoulder. Nobody said all dogs have to be fed raw not to have health problems. Yes corn and by products aren't great ingredients, but that's rather moot. Case in FACT as witnessed in my own dogs, SOME dogs with health problems can benefit from eating a raw diet, as far as their health goes. Nobody said it was a cure all to every health problem out there, and nobody said that dogs can't be healthy on kibble. Not one person said that. Enjoy your vastly superior knowledge safe and secure in the fact that your dogs are just fine, and nobody said otherwise. Have a nice day.