Do you eat beef?

**.sarah** · 08-30-2006, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by CagneyDog

First of all, the machinery and processing that goes into grain kills hundreds of thousands of animals.

References, please? I have never heard this.

By the way, most slaughter houses feed grains because they are cheap. Animals in slaughter houses consume much more grain every year than people.

Slaughterhouses are inhumane, I agree. However,not eating meat does not mean you aren't supporting them! You better stop using glue, and wearing most brands of shoes. Oh, and throw away those leather belts, dog toys, collars, and leashes.

I do what I can. In the world we live in, it is near impossible to avoid things made with animal by-products.

So you're saying I am not doing any good by not eating meat? I've spared the lives of animals by not eating meat. I bet I haven't even made a microscopic dent in the entire problem, but it is a huge dent for the animals' lives who have been spared.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it really just makes little sense to me to be a vedgetarian.

And it makes little sense to me for you to critisize a whole group of people who are doing the best they can about something they feel strongly about.

**Lady's Human** · 08-30-2006, 01:14 AM

Most slaughterhouses don't feed anything. They're slaughterhouses, not feed lots or farms. Cattle do get fed grain, they're herbivores. Feeding an herbivore a nice juicy steak would be a little silly, wouldn't it?

**.sarah** · 08-30-2006, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Most slaughterhouses don't feed anything. They're slaughterhouses, not feed lots or farms. Cattle do get fed grain, they're herbivores. Feeding an herbivore a nice juicy steak would be a little silly, wouldn't it?

I never said that isn't what they should be fed.

She stated

the machinery and processing that goes into grain kills hundreds of thousands of animals

Which to me implys that I am therefore killing animals by eating grains. I was trying to show that most grain is consumed by animals (in slaughter houses, feed lots, farms ... whatever), not people. So the problem of animals dying in slaughter houses would still be the result of the consumers eating meat.

**CagneyDog** · 08-30-2006, 01:38 AM

Which to me implys that I am therefore killing animals by eating grains. I was trying to show that most grain is consumed by animals (in slaughter houses, feed lots, farms ... whatever), not people. So the problem of animals dying in slaughter houses would still be the result of the consumers eating meat.

You don't eat bread?

"Most" would be the key word. I'm a little confused? So just because MOST of the grain is consumed by animals means that you are justified to eat grains even though the processing kills animals?

So, yes if you want to look at it that way, "you are killing animals by eating grains."

The links to websites will come tomorrow as I'm heading off to bed. However, just from living around various farms it's common knowledge that various small animals do get injured and killed in the machinery. Do a quick google search for more information if you don;t want to wait until tomorrow.

So you're saying I am not doing any good by not eating meat? I've spared the lives of animals by not eating meat. I bet I haven't even made a microscopic dent in the entire problem, but it is a huge dent for the animals' lives who have been spared.

No, with all do respect, I don't think you, or the collective of vedgies are making a difference. Frankly, the cows you didn't eat, were on the plate of your neighbour.

**.sarah** · 08-30-2006, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by CagneyDog

You don't eat bread?

Actually I do, and I enjoy it a lot.

"Most" would be the key word. I'm a little confused? So just because MOST of the grain is consumed by animals means that you are justified to eat grains even though the processing kills animals?

Again, it is nearly impossible for one person to live in this world and not kill animals indirectly. It just isn't going to happen.

Animals for slaughter are eating nearly 80% of grains consumed -- therein lies the much larger problem than me chomping on my bread and passing on the steak.

No, with all do respect, I don't think you, or the collective of vedgies are making a difference. Frankly, the cows you didn't eat, were on the plate of your neighbour.

Sorry, but no, this is not true. My neighbor doesn't eat a steak whenever I don't, and neither do my parents, my brother, my friends, etc. When one person goes vegetarian, another does not start doubling their meat intake.

There are a lot of problems with the way our food is processed before it hits grocery stores, whether it be grains, fruits, vegetables, or meat. I do what I can to not support what I don't want to support while still trying to lead a healthy life for myself. If I had it my way, no, I would not support the killing of any animals. But I can't do that. I feel the meat industry and mass overpopulation of dogs and cats is the most crucial to address and this is why I am a vegetarian and a rescue volunteer.

**Miss Z** · 08-30-2006, 05:20 AM

I'm vegetarian and proud to be so, and have been that way for 6 years. Quite frankly, Lindsey, although I respect your opinion in matters, I find many of your comments towards vegetarians quite hurtful. A lot of vegetarians are so simply because they do not like the taste of meat, there is nothing hypocritical in that. And as in this thread, those that do not agree with animal slaughter.

Originally Posted by CagneyDog

No, with all do respect, I don't think you, or the collective of vedgies are making a difference. Frankly, the cows you didn't eat, were on the plate of your neighbour.

Perhaps we're not. But, we feel we're doing our bit. We would feel far worse for eating the meat and thinking 'ah well, it would have died anyway' than not eating the meat in the first place. Just because animals are killed and a small amount of vegetarians offer no resistance to it, does not mean we must support it.

It is true, the matter of glue, leather, dairy products etc all ties in with this matter and it is raised every time. At the end of the day, we are not all entirely self-sufficient and if anyone has attempted this, it is extremely difficult to go even a week without using any animal by-product whatsoever. For example, should I give up my hobby of horse-riding, which I have been doing for nearly over 10 years, because the saddle I sit on is leather? In a perfect world, it wouldn't be made of leather, but it is. It is the lesser of two evils. One day I would love to attempt at being a vegan, but I do not think that a vegan is a 'purer' form of vegetarian as I have heard mentioned in the past.

Just IMHO.

**zoomer** · 08-30-2006, 12:45 PM

Arganade,
I do not eat KFC either. The way they kill their chickens is cruel and wrong. I have stickers that say NO KFC and as soon as I saw those I haven't eaten KFC since...

**Argranade** · 08-30-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by zoomer

Arganade,
I do not eat KFC either. The way they kill their chickens is cruel and wrong. I have stickers that say NO KFC and as soon as I saw those I haven't eaten KFC since...

Kentucky fried crewlty ''woot woot''

**zoomer** · 08-30-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Argranade

Kentucky fried crewlty ''woot woot''

Yep.

**CathyBogart** · 08-31-2006, 12:47 AM

I don't cook meat for myself, but if I am at someone's house where they are serving meat I will usually eat it, with the exception of veal (for moral reasons) and ham (because it tasted gross).

The fact that a fair number of people don't eat meat DOES make a difference. Just because one person doesn't eat a steak doesn't mean another person is going ot eat an extra one in their place. By not buying meat, even a single person reduces the demand slightly. The more the demand for meat is reduced, the less meat will be produced.