Speaking of illegal immigrants...

[Vio&Juni]

There aren't any poor people in the United States or in Canada.

[JenBKR]

There aren't any poor people in the United States or in Canada.

Was that sarcastic? Or are you asking? I sure hope you weren't serious!

[Vio&Juni]

JenBKR, that is exactly the response I was expecting. It's the same I feel when I see phrases like "if they would do it properly". I am sure people don't even know what they are talking about.

Do people really think that you can go to e.g. US Embassy in Moldova and say - I want to be an American citizen? Yes, a lot of Moldovans did get the settlement visa, but most of them were married to American citizens, just like Sparks - that is not immigration - that is a settlement visa for a wife (husband) that can give you the right to apply for citizenship after a few years. But, then again, if your marriage fails you're expected to go back to your country.

People can't go to the US embassy and say "I want to move to the US and live there, and become a citizen because life is better there". But people still want a better life for themselves and for their children and they find ways to get there, maybe with a legal visitor visa, overstaying, maybe crossing the border illegally. The problem exists and it will exist and if you toughen the rules, it just doesn't help cutting down illegal immigration - it will only help the facilitators - prices for their services will go up and the illegal immigrants will just suffer more humiliations when trying to cross the border. Believe me. I come from a country where 1/4 of the country is working abroad illegally. We have huge problems with people trafficking and even organ selling.

My point here is that by shouting loud "I could do it, why can't others do it like me?" it's impossible to solve this problem. The solution isn't simple, it's just as complicated as the problem.

To be understood correctly, I do not say that illegal immigration is good. I never did in this thread. I did say I don't think it is a crime, because by our legislation crime is something related to homicide, we have another word for minor deliquencies. It is illegal. What I tried to say was that people like to point fingers without even trying to understand the situation.

Let's do the following - check the website of the International Organisation for Migration (or any other organisation that deals with migration, BBC website might have some links to some websites) and see for yourselves how sophisticated is this problem and what solutions have been found for illegal immigration in different parts of the world. See the horror people go through to get to a better place and then tell me again "it's a free ride".

BTW, I don't think there is a better place than my country. I'd never leave my country if it was just for a better quality life.

[JenBKR]

JenBKR, that is exactly the response I was expecting. It's the same I feel when I see phrases like "if they would do it properly". I am sure people don't even know what they are talking about.

Gottcha, for a second I was afraid that you may actually believe that everyone here is rich, which is so far from the truth. I tend to not weigh in too much about the immigration issue personally because I can see both sides. Dang, wouldn't life be easier if everyone just loved everyone and anyone could just go wherever they want? In a perfect world.......

[sparks19]

well again all I have to say is I know people who come from far worse countries than mexico (Somalia for example, they can't even eat without flies being all over their food even in restaurants where the "wealthy" people go)

I know people who came from FAR worse conditions that make Mexico look like freaking Club Med. they managed to become legals why is it so difficult to expect people to go through a process. So all the time they have been working illegally in the States what have they done with the money earned? they should spend it on immigration to become legals. I just hate seeing in the news a bunch of bleeding hearts crying because some lady is being deported after living in the States Illegally for 30 years. In that 30 years she never had an opportunity to go through the process? I am sorry I just can't see your point of view.

I started my immigration BEFORE I was married. now that I am married I have to fill out a whole new set of papers. Don't tell me I don't understand how immigration works. I have been doing it for a long time now and I am still not half way done. it sucks. But if you are going to let anyone come in without going through the process then you should allow EVERYONE to do it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just curious Sparky....have you ever been to Mexico...or Somalia?

[sparks19]

I have not personally been there but my husband was deployed to Somalia for a year and he has LOTS of pictures. he had to live their "lifestyle" for a year. Not quite as bad as they did because he was there with the army but he could not eat food without eating a couple 10 or 20 flies. They eventually learned to just eat with their eyes closed and just give a quick blow on their food before they stuffed it in their mouths. I trust what my husband tells me

I also know MANY people from Somalia and they all tell me the same.

I have been to mexico. Mexico in real life does NOT compare to Somalia even in pictures. Have you?

LOL P.S - how did you know sparky is my real nickname LOL I love it

[RICHARD]

There aren't any poor people in the United States or in Canada.

You are 100 percent correct.


People who live in AMerica are rich beyond beleif.

We might not have the best country on the planet.

We have crime, hate, injustice and all the things that go along with being the
"superpower" that people make us out to be.


Our richeness has tio do with the opportunity, freedoms, and ability to choose
what we want out of life....

THere are many people who think that riches are just connected with money.
Those are the people who are poor of heart.

I like to believe that I am richer than Bill GAtes.

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I tend to think that the bias towards illegal immigrants is the fact that they are breaking a law and overstressing a system that is out of order already.

It has nothing to do with where they come from.

But, that is my own simple belief.

[Randi]

Just remember ... what is illegal today, may be legal tomorrow.

[lbaker]

amen Sister

[momoffuzzyfaces]

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I tend to think that the bias towards illegal immigrants is the fact that they are breaking a law and overstressing a system that is out of order already.

It has nothing to do with where they come from.

But, that is my own simple belief.

You hit the nail right on the head as far as I'm concerned and have already said before!!!

We may be the richest country on earth but we also have a real problem with homeless people. How can we reasonably expect to absorb hundreds of people sneaking into the country every day when we can't help the homeless or our senior citizens for that matter now?

It's like saying " We don't care about you even though you are citizens. We are giving all the support to people who really shouldn't even be here. "

I truly hope everyone owns their own home and has a nice nest egg by the time they hit retirement age you you will be in a royal mess! Believe me, I speak from experience!!!