Speaking of illegal immigrants...

**gini** · 08-15-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by lbaker

Methodists, Muslims, Mormons, Mutts and Mugwumpery! This gets better and better

YEA PetTalk

So, you have something against the Mennonites?

**gini** · 08-15-2006, 03:54 PM

The number of immigrants living in American households rose 16 percent over the last five years, fueled largely by recent arrivals from Mexico, according to fresh data released by the Census Bureau.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There you have it - fresh right off the front page of the New York Times.
So why is it wrong to use the word Mexicans - when our own Census Bureau
states the fact?

**Edwina's Secretary** · 08-15-2006, 08:49 PM

I am reading an interesting book about the Mississippi River. It really is a history of the US in the first half of the 20th Century. Between 1900 and 1915, 15 million immigrants entered the US (there was not a legal vs. illegal issue then) mostly from eastern and southern Europe.

They were not always greeted with open arms. In St Louis a German-American defended Germany in an argument, a mob stripped him naked, wrapped him in an American flag, dragged him through the streets and lynched him.

The Attorney General created the American Protective League...informers who spied on neighbors and coworkers.

In West Virginia, police forced 118 immigrants (members of an early union) to kiss the American flag.

In Centralia, Washington, a union office was attacked and one of the union guys dragged off. He was beaten...all of his "three piece ensemble" cut off. Probably in a bit of pain, he asked the gang to shoot him. They did after they hung him from a bridge. Coroner ruled it suicide.

In Indiana a jury deliberated two minutes and acquitted a man for murdering an immigrant who yelled, "To hell with the United States."

Here in Orange County the Hispanic population has grown 10% in five years, the Asian population has grown 22% in that same time (statistics in this morning's Orange County Register.)

I objected to the use of the word "them."

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 08-15-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I objected to the use of the word "them."

Just wondering: what would you use instead?

**Lady's Human** · 08-15-2006, 09:58 PM

Laurie, if you're going to throw in Mugwumps, you CANNOT leave out the Muckrakers!

**gini** · 08-16-2006, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Laurie, if you're going to throw in Mugwumps, you CANNOT leave out the Muckrakers!

Oh man, and you will be bringing all of these (them) (those) to Thursdays
won't you?

**Lady's Human** · 08-16-2006, 11:39 AM

I don't think the mugwumps would enjoy the bar. The muckrakers, on the other hand, would probably love it!

**RICHARD** · 08-16-2006, 01:15 PM

Isn't menopuase a religion too?

**sparks19** · 08-16-2006, 02:06 PM

and the use of the word "them" is offensive because?

Now I know the world is getting far too PC now I can't even use simple words like them. will I have to start referring to them (sorry I mean THE mexicans) by their entire ancestry?

If I offended you by using the word them then I sincerely apologize. it was not my intention for such a word to be construed as "intolerant"

**Edwina's Secretary** · 08-16-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by sparks19

I What I do have a problem with is them getting a free ride because they decided not to do it legally.

No, no, no....please let me apologize for thinking that in this sentence you were in any way sterotyping or being negative against any particular group of people.....

Whatever...history keeps repeating itself.

**JenBKR** · 08-16-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

No, no, no....please let me apologize for thinking that in this sentence you were in any way sterotyping or being negative against any particular group of people.....

Whatever...history keeps repeating itself.

Maybe I missed something, but I still don't see the negativity in her using 'them.' It doesn't sound to me like she was referring to a particular group....then again, I'm not worried about being PC anymore because it has gotten absolutely ridiculous, you can't say anything anymore without offending someone, so maybe I'm missing it. Or maybe I just read the whole thing wrong.

**sparks19** · 08-16-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

No, no, no....please let me apologize for thinking that in this sentence you were in any way sterotyping or being negative against any particular group of people.....

Whatever...history keeps repeating itself.

I was referring to a particular group. I was referring to Mexicans specifically because of that whole walk out thing. Do you remember that?

it wasn't just a blatant stab in the dark.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 08-16-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by sparks19

I was referring to a particular group. I was referring to Mexicans specifically because of that whole walk out thing. Do you remember that?

it wasn't just a blatant stab in the dark.

Yes... a number of my "born in the USA....American citizen" friends participated in it.

Assuming that by....whole walk out thing you mean the May 1 protest demonstration?

You know...I started to type an explanation of what the protest was about, but what's the point? Your mind is made up about them.

**RICHARD** · 08-16-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Yes... a number of my "born in the USA....American citizen" friends participated in it.

Springsteen Rocks!

Sara.

Thank you for your support of human beings, period.

I walk the line on this issue.

my heart does feel, but my mind is outraged about the abuses to the system and the neighborhoods.

Here in the San Fernando Valley there are areas where there are three families jammed into a single family dwelling.

On the properties adjacent to my house there has been three 'add-ons'......

They are totally illega (buildings)l and I can see that the wiring and plumbing are haphazardly done

One houses a home business where cat scratching post are built.

I have cleaned up trash, bottles, papers and dirty diapers that were tossed over the fence onto my property.

-------------
The families change every few months.

THe kids aren't in school and the property and the sheds added on to the house look worse every time someone new moves in.

Draining the wash water into my yard, tying the clothes line onto the fence and breaking out the boards are not signs of a good neighbors.

The owner of the house has admitted to renting to 'families who are here illegally".

What do I do?

**sparks19** · 08-16-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Yes... a number of my "born in the USA....American citizen" friends participated in it.

Assuming that by....whole walk out thing you mean the May 1 protest demonstration?

You know...I started to type an explanation of what the protest was about, but what's the point? Your mind is made up about them.

LOL don't judge me and tell me what I think and how I feel. I don't hate mexicans as you apparently would like to believe. I know many and have many mexican friends. HOWEVER, I am sorry but I cannot condone breaking the law no matter if you are black white brown purple green or multicoloured. I don't care. Breaking the law is breaking the law

But please sit back and continue to judge me.

I do NOT agree with giving criminals a free ride to citizenship. Sorry but if that makes me racist or prejudice or whatever else you would like to assume about me then fine but I would feel exactly the same way if my next door neighbour were an illegal immigrant.

They CHOSE to come here illegally. They should suffer the consequences of it not get expedited to citizenship.

And by THEM I mean anyone. Is that offensive to everyone too?