Speaking of illegal immigrants...

[Karen]

It always astounded me when one of the most anti-immigration-of-any-sort people I have ever met was a woman by the last name of Gradziulis. (She is now deceased.) Now you know, you just know that that name was NOT present on the Mayflower, nor is it a Native American name, or even something that's been "Americanized" from being here so long. As she was more than 60 years my elder, I bit my tongue rather than pick a fight with her, but I was always astounded.

Like gun laws, immigration laws do not work if they are not enforced on anything but a sporadic basis.

[Vio&Juni]

Like gun laws, immigration laws do not work if they are not enforced on anything but a sporadic basis.

I agree with this. Having worked in a Visa Section, I have my own idea of how it should work and how it does. Yes, a lot of people in search for a better life, break the law. People pay here around $6000 to get out of the country (to facilitators WHO I would call criminals). They sell everything for a chance. They are used wherever they go. They make some little money, taking care of old people - someone's parents, cleaning fish - that goes on someone's table, collecting garbage - everyone's garbage. Not many people from rich countries would take a job like that, because taking care of an incontinent old woman is not something they've been dreaming of doing. Yes, they don't pay taxes, make the ones who hire them responsible for that.

[mugsy]

Going back to the original story...

1. If he is here illegally, then deport him and let him apply for citizenship
2. He was STILL wronged by OUR justice system and should be represented by a "free" lawyer and should have some compensation for the fact that spent 5 years of his life in prison for a crime that he didn't commit and the fact that he is here illegally shouldn't enter into the equation.
3. I'm with Richard, does he get back the synagogue that he built?
4. As far as allowing people to just come into our country without following the proper procedures...I do not,and will not, ever agree with that. We have always had policies in place to become an American citizen (after we gained our independence) and now we have so many people that it should be monitored more closely...I am not saying that the procedure should be made more difficult, I'm just saying that the tide of illegals (those not willing to follow the proper procedure) needs to be stopped. Unfortunately for the Native Americans, they have gotten the shaft at every turn by our government, yet at every pow wow we ever go to they celebrate the veterans of AMERICAN wars in the place of highest honor....
5. As for the parents who are making these false accusation should be punished with some jail time...how many lives have the destroyed? Once you have been branded a child molestor, you never lose it....even after you have been pardoned, people look at you sideways. I have known 4 or 5 people that have been accused and people still believe the worst. It also seems to me to be a form a child abuse too...(a stretch I know) when they use their child for their own financial gain.

[sparks19]

I am currently going through the immigration process right now. I have no problem with people immigrating. What I do have a problem with is them getting a free ride because they decided not to do it legally. I could have come here illegally too but I'm not. We aren't even done with the process yet. I have a temporary visitors permit they gave me at the border while I wait for my K3 to process and then we can start the REAL immigration process. I have been seperated from my husband one week after we were married until just recently. We are spending a lot of money on this. It sucks and it's hard and tedious BUT we are still doing it LEGALLY.

[mugsy]

I am currently going through the immigration process right now. I have no problem with people immigrating. What I do have a problem with is them getting a free ride because they decided not to do it legally. I could have come here illegally too but I'm not. We aren't even done with the process yet. I have a temporary visitors permit they gave me at the border while I wait for my K3 to process and then we can start the REAL immigration process. I have been seperated from my husband one week after we were married until just recently. We are spending a lot of money on this. It sucks and it's hard and tedious BUT we are still doing it LEGALLY.

GOOD FOR YOU!! And welcome to the country and may you live and be prosperous!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

GOOD FOR YOU!! And welcome to the country and may you live and be prosperous!

I second that!!!

I'm all for immagration; after all besides the two Native Americans my family tree has people from: England, Ireland, Germany, Scotland, Wales, Spain, Poland and Rome among others, it's just those coming in illegally I have problems with.

[sparks19]

I second that!!!

I'm all for immagration; after all besides the two Native Americans my family tree has people from: England, Ireland, Germany, Scotland, Wales, Spain, Poland and Rome among others, it's just those coming in illegally I have problems with.

Exactly. I think just because we want something done about illegal immigration does not mean we are against immigration. My grandmother came to Canada from England. of course that was a looooong time ago lol

I just came over from Canada lol

BTW thank you mugsy and momoffuzzyfaces

[Edwina's Secretary]

What I do have a problem with is them getting a free ride because they decided not to do it legally.

I not sure picking strawberries in the hot sun with toilet facilities three fields away is a free ride.....

[sparks19]

I not sure picking strawberries in the hot sun with toilet facilities three fields away is a free ride.....

I'm referring to how a few months ago they were considering just allowing them to become legals just like that. Why? They commit a crime and then you consider rewarding them for it? Send them back, and use prisoners to do the manual labour

[Vio&Juni]

Sparks19, I would walk a mile in their shoes before I would jump to conclusions. And state them out loud. Yes, you're doing it legally, but have you thought about how much more privilleged are you for having the resources to do it legally, for having the access to all the correct information, for just coming from the "right country"?

[Edwina's Secretary]

I What I do have a problem with is them getting a free ride because they decided not to do it legally.

No, no, no....please let me apologize for thinking that in this sentence you were in any way sterotyping or being negative against any particular group of people.....

Whatever...history keeps repeating itself.

[JenBKR]

No, no, no....please let me apologize for thinking that in this sentence you were in any way sterotyping or being negative against any particular group of people.....

Whatever...history keeps repeating itself.

Maybe I missed something, but I still don't see the negativity in her using 'them.' It doesn't sound to me like she was referring to a particular group....then again, I'm not worried about being PC anymore because it has gotten absolutely ridiculous, you can't say anything anymore without offending someone, so maybe I'm missing it. Or maybe I just read the whole thing wrong.

[sparks19]

No, no, no....please let me apologize for thinking that in this sentence you were in any way sterotyping or being negative against any particular group of people.....

Whatever...history keeps repeating itself.

I was referring to a particular group. I was referring to Mexicans specifically because of that whole walk out thing. Do you remember that?

it wasn't just a blatant stab in the dark.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I was referring to a particular group. I was referring to Mexicans specifically because of that whole walk out thing. Do you remember that?

it wasn't just a blatant stab in the dark.

Yes... a number of my "born in the USA....American citizen" friends participated in it.

Assuming that by....whole walk out thing you mean the May 1 protest demonstration?

You know...I started to type an explanation of what the protest was about, but what's the point? Your mind is made up about them.