Horrible experience @ pet store...

[RedyreRotties]

Some breeds bark a LOT.

Shelties
Samoyeds
Collies
Poodles
Siberians

The list goes on and on. Many if not MOST of the people who keep, train and show these breeds debark them.

IMO it is MUCH kinder to allow the dog the joy of using his voice, even if it's much softer than it used to be, rather than yelling at the dog, spraying in the face with water, using citronella or shock collars, etc etc etc

I don't understand how subjecting a dog to a lifetime of enforced silence combined with unpleasant corrections is less harsh than a couple days of discomfort and then a softer voice so everyone can be happy.

I view debarking the same way I do removal of dew claws, spay/neuter, tail docking, ear cropping, etc etc etc. To me, it gives the dog the freedom to bark joyfully whenever he wishes, without annoyance to the humans around him.

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[Pawsitive Thinking]

debark them.

Do people really do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My two do bark a lot but its down to me to let them know when they can or can't woof

[Aurie]

I know many people who have debarked their shelties. It is something that is very common on the show circuit. It sounds awful. But it is no more awful then the once feared pinch collars. Dogs stay happy because they can bark til their hearts content.

But the effects do vary, some will be reduced to a whisper, others it is a barely audible change. I have never needed to have this done with my dogs. I don't have enough dogs to make combined barking a problem nor have I had a dog that would bark all day everyday and never take a breath.

I do not think it is easy to find a vet who will preform the procedure unless you are in an area that has a call for this service. But I am not certain about this.

Surgery is never a first approach to solving something that can be done through training. However, some dogs were geneticallly created to bark. If someone just has to have that sheltie/collie etc and they live in an apartment and nothing else has worked, would you rather them debark the dog or take it to the shelter?

No not the first or even the second solution that any trainer would suggest. But it is a solution and a humane one. From what I have been told and how it was described to me, it is probably the least traumatic of any cosmetic type surgery on a dog.

[critter crazy]

I am sorry, but I totally disagree about the debarking of a dog!!! That is just as cruel as de-clawing a cat cause it scratches your furniture!! There are ways to train your dog, to not bark on command, and to de-bark a dog and say it dosent know it, is just rediculous!! that si like saying a dog has no feelings!!! Of course he will know, he has ears dont he???? sounds like a cheap and easy way out if you ask me! Totally rediculous! All of our dogs, are taught the speak command, then taught the quiet comand! once you teach them to speak, it is ver easy to teach them to be quiet! I would never De-bark my dog, that is just cruel and inhumane! Would you put a diaper on a dog, cause it pees in the house? or would you rather potty train the dog? Everything can be fixed with the proper training!!!

[sparks19]

The people that are bashing debarking.... do you know the facts about debarking? Do you know anyone that has had it done?

I don't think it is cruel.

Whenever teddy barks in the house it hurts his ears. So do you think he would prefer to have a quieter bark? or this one that makes him shake his head everytime he barks because it rings through the house (you would think he would get a clue but he doesn't)

i don't think anyone is suggesting it as the be all and end all of remedies but it doesn't hurt to know about it.

[RedyreRotties]

I am sorry, but I totally disagree about the debarking of a dog!!! That is just as cruel as de-clawing a cat cause it scratches your furniture!! There are ways to train your dog, to not bark on command, and to de-bark a dog and say it dosent know it, is just rediculous!! that si like saying a dog has no feelings!!! Of course he will know, he has ears dont he???? sounds like a cheap and easy way out if you ask me! Totally rediculous! All of our dogs, are taught the speak command, then taught the quiet comand! once you teach them to speak, it is ver easy to teach them to be quiet! I would never De-bark my dog, that is just cruel and inhumane! Would you put a diaper on a dog, cause it pees in the house? or would you rather potty train the dog? Everything can be fixed with the proper training!!!

I'm curious how many de barked dogs you have lived around?

No, everything can NOT be fixed with proper training. Some breed bark a lot. Ask the owners of Shelties, Dachshunds, Samoyeds, Siberians, Collies, Poodles, Papillons, etc about barking.

I stated it is my PERSONAL OPINION. I do not appreciate your insinuation that I am stupid, cruel or insensitive. I am none of those. I have likely been showing and training dogs longer than you have been alive.

Now, I kindly asked that those who disagree with debarking refrain from flaming and making things personal, but I've been around on these bulletin board places for quite some time, and if you want to pick a fight with me, you can get one.

[critter crazy]

I'm curious how many de barked dogs you have lived around?

No, everything can NOT be fixed with proper training. Some breed bark a lot. Ask the owners of Shelties, Dachshunds, Samoyeds, Siberians, Collies, Poodles, Papillons, etc about barking.

I stated it is my PERSONAL OPINION. I do not appreciate your insinuation that I am stupid, cruel or insensitive. I am none of those. I have likely been showing and training dogs longer than you have been alive.

Now, I kindly asked that those who disagree with debarking refrain from flaming and making things personal, but I've been around on these bulletin board places for quite some time, and if you want to pick a fight with me, you can get one.

Lets see the words "I disagree" are My Opinion, which I am allowed to Post! This is a free contry! I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours! I never once called you stupid, i just dissagree with the whole thing! end of Story!!

And as far as you training longer than i have been alive, probably true, but it dosent make you right! It just means that you do things your way and i do things my way!

I am done posting on this thread!!

[Miss Z]

but I've been around on these bulletin board places for quite some time, and if you want to pick a fight with me, you can get one.

I have been following this thread just watching how it's been going, and RedyreRotties, I did have some respect for your opinion and input on de-barking, even though I don't agree with it myself. However, that last statement, as was the smiley, was very unnecessary and does nothing for your credibility. Whether you show dogs or not does not make you superknowledgable or right in every case.

Just my input, I had a neighbour with a barking dog. She used the ignoration/spraying water technique and within a fortnight things were much better.

[animal_rescue]

I looked up The Husher's website and it permits panting, drinking, eating. So I think it just makes it hard for them to bark, they will have to work more at it, and then they will just not want to do it anymore. It looks humane to me and I don't think that woman should have said anything to you.

http://www.husher.com/main.html

[GreyhoundGirl]

Do people really do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My two do bark a lot but its down to me to let them know when they can or can't woof

I thought de-barking was a medeval sorta thing. I didn't know it was still done. I thought the SPCA would have banned it. ( if I had the power, I would. )

JMO- as usual

[Bronx'sBower]

Firstly I wanted to say thanks for all your support but I also wanted to say that my intentions on this post were NOT to cause or start an argument. I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinions but I don't agree with bashing each other for those opinions. I have been given a lot of help through this post and for that I thank ALL of you, it has only been a few days but already I can see the difference. I understand some may think that by him barking to say he wants to play or wants to go potty may be giving him mixed signals but I also feel that there is a difference between his demand barking and his I gotta pee bark. I don't keep him on a potty schedule, if he has to go he has to go and I am glad he can tell me when he does. But there is a big difference, as I said before, between the barks. I know some will disagree with me but you also have to remember it's going to take time. The funny thing is, now he knows demand barking isn't getting him anywhere so he doesn't really bark about anything. When he does start demand barking I tell him "NO" sternly and if it doesn't work I put him in his crate. If I have to crate him 50 times a day I will because it's working. Patience is the key and being a nanny I have a lot....thankfully Thanks again for all your wonderful insight and useful tips...