Speaking of illegal immigrants...

[Cataholic]

Let me see if I can explain this a bit: What happened was awful and shouldn't have happened BUT if he hadn't been where he wasn't supposed to be none of it would have happened. People do have some responsibilites for themselves after all.

It's like say there was a drug deal going down across from a bank that was being robbed and one of the drug dealers got caught but was accused of being a bank robber instead of a dealer. If all parties involved had been obeying the law in the first place no one would be in jail.

Have I missed the boat totally?
Not meaning to offend anyone, just my line of thought.

I wouldn't say you are missing the boat (no pun), and I could agree with you, in a general sort of way. But, when one applies the facts to this case, it isn't a 'just' result. For me, if I follow your logic, a person that jaywalks 'deserves' death when he is struck by a vehicle that is speeding.

Sure, the speeder is breaking a law, but, so is the jaywalker, so, he is deserving of the punishment.

For me, the punishment must fit the crime. Here, it didn't. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, some other biblical reference like that.

I just wouldn't have read the article and thought, "oh well, you deserved something anyhow" or "and just who do you think is paying this person's freight"? What jumped out at a particular reader was more telling than the article, nearly.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I wouldn't say you are missing the boat (no pun), and I could agree with you, in a general sort of way. But, when one applies the facts to this case, it isn't a 'just' result. For me, if I follow your logic, a person that jaywalks 'deserves' death when he is struck by a vehicle that is speeding.

Sure, the speeder is breaking a law, but, so is the jaywalker, so, he is deserving of the punishment.

For me, the punishment must fit the crime. Here, it didn't. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, some other biblical reference like that.

I just wouldn't have read the article and thought, "oh well, you deserved something anyhow" or "and just who do you think is paying this person's freight"? What jumped out at a particular reader was more telling than the article, nearly.

No I don't think he deserved punishment (not that anyway). I just meant if he hadn't been where he shouldn't be, it wouldn't have happened. Like if someone walks out in front of a car and gets hit, if he hadn't done that, he wouldn't have been hit. His actions by doing what he shouldn't caused the result.

It's like if you invite a snake to sleep with you, you may get bit. The snake may think it's protecting itself and bite but if you hadn't had him there in the first place, no bite would have happened.

Never mind, I'm confusing myself now! (even more than usual, I mean)

[Cataholic]

[color=teal][b]It's like if you invite a snake to sleep with you, you may get bit. The snake may think it's protecting itself and bite but if you hadn't had him there in the first place, no bite would have happened.

OMG. WHAT an analogy!!! Now, tonight, when I go to bed, I am going to think there are snakes in my bed!!! My one true 'phobia'. ACK!!!!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Sorry! I hate snakes too!

At least they shouldn't be there unless you invite them!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Gosh...I had missed this. I cannot tell you how sad this makes me.

An innocent man deserves five years in prison for a crime he did not commit.

How righteous. How judgemental. How compassionate.

And we wonder why people keep hating...and we wonder why people keep killing each other.

[lbaker]

I'm right with you Sara but I think we have been down this road/tunnel before. I have larger issues to deal with right now ~ I just wanted to raise my hand to you and Johanna.. sigh, as usual we will have the nay sayers. It is summer and quite hot outside.. in many ways

[king2005]

I agree 100% with Cataholic!! The fact that he isn't suppose to be in your country is not the issue & should not have even been brought up in this case.. The case is purely about a human being being wrongfully accused & nothing more! Once that issue is delt with, then sack him for the law he has broken himself.

Ex. Carla Halmolka (sp) was "set free" from a horrible murder rape (or whatever) she was involved in. "If" she was wrongfully accused for a bank robbery & went to jail for that. Then they learned she was wrongfully accused for the Robbery & she sued, would you guys feel the same? Oh well she deserved jail as she was set free from murdering & raping people
(there was video proof.. oh & this is a real case.. well not the robbery part, I made that up)..

I'm sorry but other crimes have no relevence in the bank robbery case (its only relivance is in the sentensing). Shes still a human being & deserves the same rights as everyone, other wise the legal system would fall apart & wouldn't be treating everyone as equals & passing judgement before any case was shown..


I'm sure that didn't make a whole lot of sence.. I'm not good with words, but I tried...