Speaking of illegal immigrants...

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, if he hadn't snuck into this country illegally, he wouldn't have gotten himself into this mess, eh?

[Cataholic]

And, the vote goes to JACKIE! MOFF- I don't know if your comment was tongue in cheek, or not, and, of course, it isn't my business to know. But, if one's thought process after reading that article centers on the illegal v. legal arrgument, I have an issue or two with that.


I gotta say after reading this article, I only thought, wow, poor man. 5 years is a long time to waste away in anyone's jail. Your own country's jail, a foreign country's jail, doesn't seem to make much difference.

[sparks19]

Well I'm pretty sure being an illegal immigrant is a crime so really he wasn't in jail for nothing

[Cataholic]

Well I'm pretty sure being an illegal immigrant is a crime so really he wasn't in jail for nothing

Deep breathes now....have you ever heard that ole "punishment fits the crime" theory kicked about?

[sparks19]

well really now everyone is appalled that a criminal was in jail. It sucks that innocent people get put in jail and it happens too often but this was not just some innocent person, he really WAS a criminal in a sense. I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for illegal immigrants. Like I said it sucks that he went to jail when he was innocent of one particular crime, however he was guilty of another crime and now our tax dollars are paying for yet another illegal immigrant.

[K9soul]

If he was being brought up on charges for being an illegal immigrant then being deported would have been appropriate enough (not spending 5 years in prison for it). If this girl's parents are really running around accusing multiple people of abuse just to get money in lawsuits, that is far more sickening to me than the fact that the man was an illegal immigrant and that the govt may have paid for his defense. Just my opinion.

[sparks19]

I agree that it is sick what people will do.

but again in my opinion he shouldn't have been here in the first place.

if it is proven that these people are wrongfully accusing other of assault then I hope they get what is coming to them. but I think he should seek out his government to foot the bill for him.

[Lady's Human]

If he was merely being prosecuted for being an illegal immigrant, fine, deport him and that should be the end of it.

If he was wrongfully prosecuted (as would seem to be the case for the crime he was in jail for) he should be able to sue. If false statements were made to indict him, then the state should go after the accusers for legal costs.

[sparks19]

[QUOTE=Lady's Human]If he was merely being prosecuted for being an illegal immigrant, fine, deport him and that should be the end of it.

If he was wrongfully prosecuted (as would seem to be the case for the crime he was in jail for) he should be able to sue. If false statements were made to indict him, then the state should go after the accusers for legal costs.[/QUOTE]


That is a good point but then I think it should just be included in the money they have to pay if he wins.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Let me see if I can explain this a bit: What happened was awful and shouldn't have happened BUT if he hadn't been where he wasn't supposed to be none of it would have happened. People do have some responsibilites for themselves after all.

It's like say there was a drug deal going down across from a bank that was being robbed and one of the drug dealers got caught but was accused of being a bank robber instead of a dealer. If all parties involved had been obeying the law in the first place no one would be in jail.

Have I missed the boat totally?
Not meaning to offend anyone, just my line of thought.

[JenBKR]

I just think it's really sad that these parents are putting their daughter in the middle of a bunch of molestation cases. She is going to be one messed up adult someday.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I just think it's really sad that these parents are putting their daughter in the middle of a bunch of molestation cases. She is going to be one messed up adult someday.

Now this, I can totally agree with!!! Poor kid!!!

[Cataholic]

Let me see if I can explain this a bit: What happened was awful and shouldn't have happened BUT if he hadn't been where he wasn't supposed to be none of it would have happened. People do have some responsibilites for themselves after all.

It's like say there was a drug deal going down across from a bank that was being robbed and one of the drug dealers got caught but was accused of being a bank robber instead of a dealer. If all parties involved had been obeying the law in the first place no one would be in jail.

Have I missed the boat totally?
Not meaning to offend anyone, just my line of thought.

I wouldn't say you are missing the boat (no pun), and I could agree with you, in a general sort of way. But, when one applies the facts to this case, it isn't a 'just' result. For me, if I follow your logic, a person that jaywalks 'deserves' death when he is struck by a vehicle that is speeding.

Sure, the speeder is breaking a law, but, so is the jaywalker, so, he is deserving of the punishment.

For me, the punishment must fit the crime. Here, it didn't. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, some other biblical reference like that.

I just wouldn't have read the article and thought, "oh well, you deserved something anyhow" or "and just who do you think is paying this person's freight"? What jumped out at a particular reader was more telling than the article, nearly.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I wouldn't say you are missing the boat (no pun), and I could agree with you, in a general sort of way. But, when one applies the facts to this case, it isn't a 'just' result. For me, if I follow your logic, a person that jaywalks 'deserves' death when he is struck by a vehicle that is speeding.

Sure, the speeder is breaking a law, but, so is the jaywalker, so, he is deserving of the punishment.

For me, the punishment must fit the crime. Here, it didn't. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, some other biblical reference like that.

I just wouldn't have read the article and thought, "oh well, you deserved something anyhow" or "and just who do you think is paying this person's freight"? What jumped out at a particular reader was more telling than the article, nearly.

No I don't think he deserved punishment (not that anyway). I just meant if he hadn't been where he shouldn't be, it wouldn't have happened. Like if someone walks out in front of a car and gets hit, if he hadn't done that, he wouldn't have been hit. His actions by doing what he shouldn't caused the result.

It's like if you invite a snake to sleep with you, you may get bit. The snake may think it's protecting itself and bite but if you hadn't had him there in the first place, no bite would have happened.

Never mind, I'm confusing myself now! (even more than usual, I mean)