Let's see... 6 hrs driving to Phred in Eastern Ohio and Findley is west - Ohio is a rather big state. I would probably be better off flying into somewhere and then renting a car. Not out of the question but I've been asked by marketing to work at a meeting in San Fran the 2nd week in September [poor me ]. Won't know for another week or so, stupid immediate supervisor hasn't made up his mind if he can "spare" me. * if I'm so damned important I should be making more money * So we shall see. Oops, that was off subject - Gini, how is the tree work going? I checked the other thread but check in somewhere. Dang, it was good to talk to you last night!