Puppy contract

[Lady's Human]

I sincerely doubt the credit card number will fly. I know regardless of how much I loved the pup I would refuse that stipulation. It simply gives you too much access to information.

[Jods]

#2 is a little bit much if you are selling puppies you have to understand that you can't know of their wherabouts at all times that is silly and I would never give you my credit card number, but the rest is awesome!

[wolfsoul]

you have to understand that you can't know of their wherabouts at all times that is silly

I have to respectfully disagree --- I feel that if you are bringing lives into the world, you are responsible for those lives. You have to protect them as much as possible. My friend gave her dog away last year and didn't provide a contract. She was ecstatic that the home was in a city nearby so she could visit her dog every week. After a week, the guy had given her dog away, and now she has no idea where the dog is and will probably never see him again. For all she knows, he could be in a really bad home. That's why I feel you should always know where the dog is so that you can keep in contact with the owners. Visa's breeder doesn't really keep track of her pet puppies, and last year she heard from another breeder that one of her dog's had it's faced stabbed several times by someone that broke into the dog's house. She didn't have the dog's contact information so she couldn't offer them help or condolences. I don't know, I know several breeders that take people's credit card numbers, photocopy their birth certificates, or get their employer's information. It may seem extreme, but isn't it worth it?

[Danegirl2208]

i agree...you can never be to careful when dealing with puppies, they didnt ask to be born and its up to the breeder to make sure they go to the best homes possibe, and that they are going to live a safe life

[Ginger's Mom]

Sorry, but still objecting to #2. Of course, you may get their credit card number when they purchase the puppy as that may be the means of payment, but what I am wondering is how that will allow you to contact them in the future. Will the credit card company give you my personal information if I move or decide not to continue my relationship with you? Will the fact that you haven't heard from me or my pup give you enough reason to subpoena or otherwise obtain personal information about me? Sorry, although it may be very noble of you to want to go to any means to keep in contact with your pups, I think the people purchasing the pups have to be entitled to certain privacy safeguards.

[king2005]

Sorry, but still objecting to #2. Of course, you may get their credit card number when they purchase the puppy as that may be the means of payment, but what I am wondering is how that will allow you to contact them in the future. Will the credit card company give you my personal information if I move or decide not to continue my relationship with you? Will the fact that you haven't heard from me or my pup give you enough reason to subpoena or otherwise obtain personal information about me? Sorry, although it may be very noble of you to want to go to any means to keep in contact with your pups, I think the people purchasing the pups have to be entitled to certain privacy safeguards.

Breaking a contract gives the police the right to get the info. Its not like she can just call the company & get the info herself (even though its not very hard to get that info lol).. the law has to get it

[Lady's Human]

I would HIGHLY advise you to see a lawyer who specializes in contracts before you go forward with this. There are stipulations in there that I doubt would hold up in court.

[Ginger's Mom]

Breaking a contract gives the police the right to get the info. Its not like she can just call the company & get the info herself (even though its not very hard to get that info lol).. the law has to get it

What breach of contract?

[king2005]

I have to respectfully disagree --- I feel that if you are bringing lives into the world, you are responsible for those lives. You have to protect them as much as possible. My friend gave her dog away last year and didn't provide a contract. She was ecstatic that the home was in a city nearby so she could visit her dog every week. After a week, the guy had given her dog away, and now she has no idea where the dog is and will probably never see him again. For all she knows, he could be in a really bad home. That's why I feel you should always know where the dog is so that you can keep in contact with the owners. Visa's breeder doesn't really keep track of her pet puppies, and last year she heard from another breeder that one of her dog's had it's faced stabbed several times by someone that broke into the dog's house. She didn't have the dog's contact information so she couldn't offer them help or condolences. I don't know, I know several breeders that take people's credit card numbers, photocopy their birth certificates, or get their employer's information. It may seem extreme, but isn't it worth it?

I agree with you 100% there.. You can never ber TOO safe. & it also keeps dogs out of the shelters & unwanted litters!

[zoomer]

I have to respectfully disagree --- I feel that if you are bringing lives into the world, you are responsible for those lives. You have to protect them as much as possible. My friend gave her dog away last year and didn't provide a contract. She was ecstatic that the home was in a city nearby so she could visit her dog every week. After a week, the guy had given her dog away, and now she has no idea where the dog is and will probably never see him again. For all she knows, he could be in a really bad home. That's why I feel you should always know where the dog is so that you can keep in contact with the owners. Visa's breeder doesn't really keep track of her pet puppies, and last year she heard from another breeder that one of her dog's had it's faced stabbed several times by someone that broke into the dog's house. She didn't have the dog's contact information so she couldn't offer them help or condolences. I don't know, I know several breeders that take people's credit card numbers, photocopy their birth certificates, or get their employer's information. It may seem extreme, but isn't it worth it?

I agree. You have a total right to have their credit card number if they really want a puppy they'll give it to you. And your contract shows you care about the puppies, I agree with everything on it and I think you should know they're credit card number. It's not silly at all.

[K9soul]

Honestly I'd not give my credit card number or any other vital information like that in which, if it got in the wrong hands, could be used to really wreck my life. That's not saying I'd necessarily suspect the breeder of any bad intentions, however they would have to store this information somewhere, and that means it is possible that somewhere, somehow, someone else who shouldn't might have a means to get access to it whether it's by computer hacking programs or someone breaking in and stealing it. I certainly think there's nothing wrong with requesting regular updates and any address changes, but I think I would personally do careful screening to begin with, request strongly that the person stay in contact, and at some point have to accept that the dog is out of your hands and you have done all you can to ensure it has a good home with responsible owners.

I was in close contact with Willie's breeder until we stopped showing him and he was neutered. At that point other than occasional updates we didn't talk to her much. When I moved to Minnesota, he was 8, and I did not call up and tell the breeder. We hadn't been in contact for a few years by then anyway, and he was no longer being shown, was not a breeding prospect. She knew the caliber of people we were that we'd never rehome him. I just had so much going on in my life at the time, I didn't even think about it.

Now, those of you saying "it's no big deal" (at least as far as I can tell) are younger, and haven't lived on your own and haven't experienced being burned or the very real threat of identity theft. I'd suggest you read up on it a bit. It is serious and it is becoming more and more of a common crime: IDENTITY THEFT

All it would take is someone finding out that a breeder collects credit card numbers, and then finding a way to get a hold of them. That is why in America at least, Privacy Act laws are very, very strict, and I doubt that contract would be legal here.

If you are determined to go with it, I'd definitely take Lady's Human's advice and make sure with an attorney that it is legal. In that case, if you had people willing to hand over those kinds of things and take the risk, more power to you and I'd just hope you never "lost" any of those things in some way, that would be a lot to be responsible for. . Personally I just would never take the chance..

My 2 cents.. or perhaps it was closer to a dollar

[binka_nugget]

Looks good!

I don't think #2 is too big of a deal. I'd be weary of any breeder who didn't require current addresses. It shows that the breeder is geniunely concerned about where their dogs end up. It's not like it's that big of a hassle to send an email or call the breeder and simply tell them the new address. The most it'd take is 5 minutes. :\

I don't know if I'd hand over a credit card number though. If I didn't know you personally, I think I'd keep looking around for other breeders.

[wolfsoul]

If the credit card thing is a big deal, I think instead I will ask for their place of employment and phone numbers of 10 references. I bet that would make it easy to track someone down.