Are annual shots overkill!!!

[.sarah]

Vaccines are harmful even if given once. Two of my dogs have suffered from them.

I am working on an "article" on this, and it will be posted here. Not sure when, but should be within the next few weeks. It's just going to share my dogs' stories and the treatment they're recieving and some info on over-vaccination.

Here are some more links:
- Is Your Pet Dying from Over-Vaccination Due to Vet Economics? (scroll down some for the article)
- Vaccines - Are They Safe for Your Dog?
- Vaccinations for Dogs and Cats: Too Many, Too Often?
- Canine Vaccination Concerns
- Immunisation
- Take the Titer Test
- Vaccinations for the New Puppy
- Rabies Scam
- Think About This
- Vaccine Reactions
- What About Vaccines?

[Jessika]

Well ALL vaccines have the potential to be "harmful". Human vaccines, pet vaccines, all vaccines are is they are injecting a weakened strain of whatever virus into your system so your body can build up antibodies against the virus or whatever so if you DO come in contact with it again you will have a strenghtened immunity against it. BUT sometimes it backfires, and eventhough its a weakened strain, you can become infected by it and get sick. So that is always a risk you take, whether it be you, your children, or your pets.

[wolfsoul]

My dog almost died from parvo all because the vaccine weakened her immune system and left her vulnerable to the parvo in the environment (the very thing the vet said it would prevent).

I do parvo and distemper seperatly and that's it. One shot for each, nothing more. Visa is titred if she needs proof of vaccination for anything, and the vet has someone that forages rabies vaccine certifications if we ever need to cross the border.

[.sarah]

Jordan, I am curious why you even vaccinate at all, especially since Visa almost died from it. Do you do it at 16 weeks when the natural immunity wears off?

My dogs are never getting vaccinated again, and no future dogs or puppies will be vaccinated.

Also, you must have a cool vet! I wish I could find one that didn't want to shoot my dog up any chance they got.

[Jessika]

So you think rabies shots are unnecessary? I got Charlie 3 year shots and Jamie one year.. but that's pretty much the only vaccinations they've had or that I do routinely.

Sarah, what do you do when you have to bring them somewhere and you have to show proof of vaccinations?? Like, for example, grooming or dog events, etc.

[.sarah]

Rabies shots are very, very unneccessary except to abide by the law, which I have found a way to get around. Luka is suffering from one she got in March and there is no cure.

Also, three year and one year are the same. They are the same shot marketed with a different label to abide by state laws.

Sarah, what do you do when you have to bring them somewhere and you have to show proof of vaccinations?? Like, for example, grooming or dog events, etc.

I have titers done to proove immunity so that we can attend obedience classes. For Rabies - I have a way to get around it that I don't want to say publicly, but could PM to you if you're curious.

[Jessika]

Rabies shots are very, very unneccessary except to abide by the law, which I have found a way to get around. Luka is suffering from one she got in March and there is no cure.

Also, three year and one year are the same. They are the same shot marketed with a different label to abide by state laws.


I have titres done to proove immunity so that we can attend obedience classes. For Rabies - I have a way to get around it that I don't want to say publicly, but could PM to you if you're curious.

Hm, I have never heard of a titre before. Yeah, please pm me, I would love to discuss this and learn more!

[wolfsoul]

I don't do the parvo and distemper when the dogs are adults. Only once when they are puppies (at 15 weeks if I am able to -- Visa's breeder and my friend I am getting a sheltie pup from both do their shots while the puppies are still very young so they can get them done before they go to their new homes, but I am going to talk to them and tell them that I want to do it myself at 15 weeks), and no more for the rest of their lives. Parvo and distemper are very very rare around here, the only times they ever happen are from vaccine reactions, but I feel that since the dogs will be going to shows and trials for their entire lives, and coming to work with me all the time, one shot for each disease won't hurt, as long as it's only done once and never again. After that I do titres and nothing else.

Yeah, my vet is awesome. She is both holistic and conventional but likes things done the holistic way if possilbe. She uses her judgement well though. When Visa and her littermates got parvo, there was no way she would treat them holistically. She absolutely refused. I trust her and her judgement. This is her site.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Rabies shots are very, very unnecessary except to abide by the law,
which I have found a way to get around ...

For Rabies - I have a way to get around it that I don't want to say publicly ...

Rabies is the worst, it effects the nervous system.
It can cause fear, aggression, and anxiety.
Because of the [rabies] shot Luka is afraid of pretty much everything now,
even our backyard. I think it caused Mandy's aggression too ...

I'm pretty sure all 50 of the US States, or in the case of Ohio - all the COUNTIES,
require Rabies Vaccinations; usually for dogs, cats, and ferrets.

The big rub comes if your dog is accused of *biting* a Human or another Pet -
You are then required to Prove your dog has a current Rabies Certificate -
which in Ohio must be signed by a licensed VET.
Without proof of the Rabies Vaccination - the law allows the Health Department to
order the biting dog quarantined and if suspected of being rabid, euthanised for testing for rabies.

Falsifying a Rabies Certificate - is probably a criminal act - I'd hate to accused
of doing that.

As for the Rabies Vaccination *CAUSING* "fear, aggression, and anxiety"
in a vaccinated dog - NEVER heard of that being a problem.

Long & Short of it - YOU can't be certain that your dog will "never" come in
contact with a RABID wild animal - thereby running the risk of being infected with Rebies.

Not worth the risk to me - even Boots, da INSIDE Kat, gets his Rabies Shot
every three years!

/s/ Phred

[wolfsoul]

As for the Rabies Vaccination *CAUSING* "fear, aggression, and anxiety"
in a vaccinated dog - NEVER heard of that being a problem.

On my vet's website (I posted th link in my second post) she talks about rabies vaccines causing behavioural problems, she has experienced it herself firsthand. Cali has also gone through it with her dog, Happy -- I'm sure she'll pipe in eventually.

[.sarah]

I'm pretty sure all 50 of the US States, or in the case of Ohio - all the COUNTIES, require Rabies Vaccinations; usually for dogs, cats, and ferrets.

The big rub comes if your dog is accused of *biting* a Human or another Pet -
You are then required to Prove your dog has a current Rabies Certificate -
which in Ohio must be signed by a licensed VET.

It is different here in Florida, a vet does not have to give the vaccine.

Falsifying a Rabies Certificate - is probably a criminal act - I'd hate to accused of doing that.

Me too, but what are the chances? I never leave my dogs alone with strangers, so what is the chances of them biting? I'm really not worried.

As for the Rabies Vaccination *CAUSING* "fear, aggression, and anxiety" in a vaccinated dog - NEVER heard of that being a problem.

Read the links I provided. It can happen and it happens all the time. People just brush it off as "just another fearful dog" because it has become "normal". It's NOT normal for a dog to be afraid of everything, especially when it's never been abused. It has happened severly to one of my dogs, and Mandy could have also been affected but it was so long ago that we can't prove it. Nova was affected by one of the other vaccines.

Long & Short of it - YOU can't be certain that your dog will "never" come in contact with a RABID wild animal - thereby running the risk of being infected with Rebies.

There aren't very many rabid animals in comparison to the non-rabid animals. Yes, it is possible. But having had one, possibly two, of my dogs been affected by the vaccine, I'll take my chances.

[binka_nugget]

This is very, very bad and I probably shouldn't even be saying this but I photoshop old certificates when I need "proof" of vaccination. They do get rabies vaccines though because it's required by law... but since it's every 3 years and the only vaccine they receive, I'm quite fine with it.

[wolfsoul]

LOL that's awesome.

[.sarah]

but since it's every 3 years and the only vaccine they receive, I'm quite fine with it.

Rabies is the worst, it effects the nervous system. It can cause fear, aggression, and anxiety. Because of the shot Luka is afraid of pretty much everything now, even our backyard. I think it caused Mandy's aggression too, since she used to be wonderful with dogs, but we can't remember enough to make a proper diagnosis.

[Undomiel]

is it bad to get their vaccinations at the vet?