Where do you stand?

[Lady's Human]

The reason that the National Guard is the force in question rather than the regular army is Posse Comitatus. This law prevents federal military forces from being used in a law enforcement role within the borders of the United States.

If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats) they would revise Posse Comitatus and allow Federal Forces to be used on the border areas to protect the border. The excesses from the post-Civil War era are long since over, and like many other statutes that have gathered dust over the years need to be revised.

[RICHARD]

If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats)

You could have said testicular fortitude.....god knows that Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi from the Great State o' Cah lee fuh nee ah have that angle covered.

[lizbud]

The reason that the National Guard is the force in question rather than the regular army is Posse Comitatus. This law prevents federal military forces from being used in a law enforcement role within the borders of the United States.

National Guard units are controlled at the State level by each
Governor.



If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats) they would revise Posse Comitatus and allow Federal Forces to be used on the border areas to protect the border. The excesses from the post-Civil War era are long since over, and like many other statutes that have gathered dust over the years need to be revised.

Oh yeah that would help..... I would hate to see GB have that
level of power to loose the the Armed Forces in Main St.,USA.Much too
much responsibilty to grant to someone who has never shown much good
sense during his term of office.

[lbaker]

As long as a "can of worms" has been opened... let's go fishin' and just get along for a bit and take some deep breaths. This is a very volatile subject, on that we DO agree. OK?

[lizbud]

As long as a "can of worms" has been opened... let's go fishin' and just get along for a bit and take some deep breaths. This is a very volatile subject, on that we DO agree. OK?

Good idea.

[Lady's Human]

Liz,
You misread my post. I specifically mentioned border areas, as in (for example) use of US Federal forces would be approved in a 20 mile wide zone north of the Mexican border and south of the Canadian border. (Yes, there are terrorist groups based in Canada, we got briefs on them constantly while I was in FT Drum, and there is also illegal immigration coming from the northern border as well as the southern border)

I also did not mention a time limit, I believe this should be a permanent change. The US Military USED to patrol the borders of the country, which is why you can follow our westward expansion in part by town names. (Most, not all, towns which have "fort" in their names were actually forts when they were on the western edge of expansion)

We need to go back to letting the military do its job, which is protecting the borders of the US. We are probably the only country in the world with laws that specifically ban the military from doing so.

[lizbud]

The reason that the National Guard is the force in question rather than the regular army is Posse Comitatus. This law prevents federal military forces from being used in a law enforcement role within the borders of the United States.

If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats) they would revise Posse Comitatus and allow Federal Forces to be used on the border areas to protect the border. The excesses from the post-Civil War era are long since over, and like many other statutes that have gathered dust over the years need to be revised.

I don't think so LH.

Posse Comitatus, as is, does not prevent Federal troop action, just makes
sure the State invites them in when needed.Local control, not Federal.

Not sure what excesses from post Civil War era your talking about, but
we the people (all of us) are still undergoing excesses from the federal
level each & every day.

[Lady's Human]

Posse Comitatus explicitly prohibits Federal troops from undertaking ANY mission that requires them to act in a law enforcement capacity. They cannot be used in any way, shape or form to enforce laws. This is why the rebuilding of New Orleans, for example, was started with a mix of troops, mostly National Guard. The Guard undertook law and order functions, and the active troops stuck strictly to helping rebuild. A state governor can request federal troop assistance, but it is strictly for labor, and those troops are barred from undertaking any enforcement activities whatsoever.

Enforcement activities include enforcing US Border laws.

[RICHARD]

Here we go..

Not to be a jerk...

We got our wish.....

wait until the first gun battle goes down and bystanders are killed.

Read the book "Hammerheads" by Dale Brown.

Alot of good intentions gone awry there.

[lbaker]

Herein can be found that rare native tree, the Presidential Timber, struck down in mid-sprout by the jawbone of a politician. Pogo returns to the swamp from a couple of political conventions to find his unfinished business being rapidly finished, once and for all, by rough and ready hands.

"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"

w.k.

[Lady's Human]

Richard,

funny, I always thought "Hammerheads" was a pretty damned good idea. Unfortunately, CNN wouldn't think so.

[RICHARD]

Richard,

funny, I always thought "Hammerheads" was a pretty damned good idea. Unfortunately, CNN wouldn't think so.

The book was way ahead of it's time.....the "awry" part was the media's fault...in the book!