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[BOBS DAD]

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary: MOFF....Debbie's post said immigrants who become citizens earn, on average $900.00....as a contrast to illegal immigrants earning $460.00. So that would be....naturalized citizens earn on average $900.00. That is about the national average for a family of four.

MOFF, you ae not seriously thinking that naturalized citizens earn a mere $900.00 a year, are you? Or am I just misunderstanding Edwina's post?

Could be... sometimes things get lost in translation. I was referencing Debbie's earlier post - where she mentioned that she read some figures about a jump in wage earning from an illegal to a legalized citizen. And in referencing her post, I said that it "sounded" plausible. "Sounded" is the operative word here, as neither Debbie (I don't believe) or I have any hard data to support this presumption. BUT, it only stands to reason that those who have the where-with-all and knowledge to realize their dream of citizenship have in fact tapped into the government programs for betterment through education and job training. An Immigrants' legal status opens the door to job-training and work-support programs. Indeed, eligibility for most government-sponsored programs is restricted to legal immigrants under federal law.

BUT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE... don't take anything your hear or read here at PT as Gospel. We are all just blabbering about subjects that most of us cannot claim expertise on. If you know how to use the Internet to connect to PT, then you certainly can research these subject yourself through "SEARCH ENGINES" and Keywords. Try to find government sponsored sites with no political agenda - straight statistics. Also look for Non Partisan Research Groups sites. Here is a good one for anyone interested: http://www.urban.org/url.cfm?ID=310880

It is a Brief on "Immigrant Families and Workers: Facts and Perspectives" by the URBAN INSTITUTE ( a Non-Partisan Economic and Social Policy Research Organization). It is very interesting and more "reliable" than we pet lover's dribble here at PT! Not as much fun to read, a little dry and no "shots below the belt" - OUUCCHHH... but far more factual.

In fact, while I am at it. I recommend everyone utilize the Internet in their rearch when voting as well. IT IS AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN LEARN AND DISCOVER. When I was young and going to the polls, I used to againize over who was right, who was wrong, who's telling the truth and what records can I research to see who is most closely aligned to my own thinking and political philosophies. AND NOW... NOW... my answers are at my fingertips. It is truly amazing the breadth of knowledge and facts accessible on line. If a candidate says another voted for or against something "everytime" it came up. I can easily check that fact by checking voting records listed online at government sites and who voted for what. It is truly amazing how much people lie or stretch the truth!!!

That's enough rambling for now. More on that subject at a later date. Back to work... before they deport me!!!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

MOFF, you ae not seriously thinking that naturalized citizens earn a mere $900.00 a year, are you? Or am I just misunderstanding Edwina's post?

No, I was freaking out because I thought it was said they were making $900 A WEEK!!!

[lizbud]

It's good to see this discussion continue because this problem does
not seem to be going away real soon.Bush is considering sending the
National Guard to the border states.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1956312

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Not to open up another can of worms, but I'd rather see the National Guard protecting our borders than getting killed in a another country.

[Lady's Human]

The reason that the National Guard is the force in question rather than the regular army is Posse Comitatus. This law prevents federal military forces from being used in a law enforcement role within the borders of the United States.

If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats) they would revise Posse Comitatus and allow Federal Forces to be used on the border areas to protect the border. The excesses from the post-Civil War era are long since over, and like many other statutes that have gathered dust over the years need to be revised.

[RICHARD]

If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats)

You could have said testicular fortitude.....god knows that Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi from the Great State o' Cah lee fuh nee ah have that angle covered.

[lizbud]

The reason that the National Guard is the force in question rather than the regular army is Posse Comitatus. This law prevents federal military forces from being used in a law enforcement role within the borders of the United States.

National Guard units are controlled at the State level by each
Governor.



If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats) they would revise Posse Comitatus and allow Federal Forces to be used on the border areas to protect the border. The excesses from the post-Civil War era are long since over, and like many other statutes that have gathered dust over the years need to be revised.

Oh yeah that would help..... I would hate to see GB have that
level of power to loose the the Armed Forces in Main St.,USA.Much too
much responsibilty to grant to someone who has never shown much good
sense during his term of office.

[lbaker]

As long as a "can of worms" has been opened... let's go fishin' and just get along for a bit and take some deep breaths. This is a very volatile subject, on that we DO agree. OK?

[lizbud]

The reason that the National Guard is the force in question rather than the regular army is Posse Comitatus. This law prevents federal military forces from being used in a law enforcement role within the borders of the United States.

If anyone had any true intestinal fortitude (and this includes everyone on Capitol Hill, not just republicans or just democrats) they would revise Posse Comitatus and allow Federal Forces to be used on the border areas to protect the border. The excesses from the post-Civil War era are long since over, and like many other statutes that have gathered dust over the years need to be revised.

I don't think so LH.

Posse Comitatus, as is, does not prevent Federal troop action, just makes
sure the State invites them in when needed.Local control, not Federal.

Not sure what excesses from post Civil War era your talking about, but
we the people (all of us) are still undergoing excesses from the federal
level each & every day.

[Lady's Human]

Posse Comitatus explicitly prohibits Federal troops from undertaking ANY mission that requires them to act in a law enforcement capacity. They cannot be used in any way, shape or form to enforce laws. This is why the rebuilding of New Orleans, for example, was started with a mix of troops, mostly National Guard. The Guard undertook law and order functions, and the active troops stuck strictly to helping rebuild. A state governor can request federal troop assistance, but it is strictly for labor, and those troops are barred from undertaking any enforcement activities whatsoever.

Enforcement activities include enforcing US Border laws.