Where do you stand?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

well I'm completely annoyed with it all to be honest and I have 2 points on it. my family and I didnt expect german aisles in walmart when we got to America. we didnt expect products to be in german, and didnt expect people to understand german. if I'd known I'd have to learn a THIRD language and culture just to get by in america, I wouldnt of come back. you are practicly REQUIRED to speak spanish if your going to work 3rd shift at teflon (factory) here.... i'm in tennessee... which is in america... and americans speak english right?
I feel bad for getting just so angry at spanish on products and a mexican aisle in walmart and spanish billboards and signs and this and that but jeez.... if your giving ILLEGALS special treatment why not me? wheres my milchreis, my montelinos in walmart???

they broke the law, stop rewarding them for it. just because the cop didnt catch them in the act doesnt mean it should be forgiven. they wouldnt forgive me if i sold drugs or killed someone.

Those who are skipping school or work should be expelled/detention, and fired because if *I* missed a day at my job for something like this, thats what would happen to me.

I agree with you. Even lots of food labels (even the ones made in the US now have Spanish lables. Why not French too? If they are going to come to OUR country; they should do the changing not force us to.

Lots of signs on stores here now have both English and Spanish on them. Sure looks to me like they've already started taking over our country. Now, they demostrate for rights they are not entitled too. Come in legally and they are welcome but not sneaking in.

I realize not all of them want to stay here but need jobs. A better worker program would sure help.

[RICHARD]

I feel bad for getting just so angry at spanish on products and a mexican aisle in walmart and spanish billboards and signs and this and that but jeez....

My dad was from Mexico and I get mad at the Mex aisles in the store too...
The crap that passes as authentic really sucks!

But letting a "guest worker" law go into effect you will just invite more people and better forgers.

At this point the government is too busy to compare notes on who is here legally....Look at 9/11...I think we have just enough to figure things out but
none of the agencies took the time to compare notes.

by the way "GUEST WORKER" is another stupid phrase...If you are a guest you shouldn't be working-except when you go to Gini's house-she expects to be pampered!

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The next president, who looks like he is gonna be a Dem, better get his arse straight on this topic.

Mexico has so many natural resources that it makes me sick-and the reason
that the country is on the verge of collapse is that jerk FOX...his political party won - the same political party ran the country for 76 years...

They made it farther than communism..those frealing commies wanted to run the world, the politicos in Mexico just wanted to rule something.

Talk to the leaders.

Or send George Clooney down there, he has the answers...but then again, who will cut his lawn, or take care of his kids??

[Edwina's Secretary]

My dad was from Mexico and I get mad at the Mex aisles in the store too...
The crap that passes as authentic really sucks!

But letting a "guest worker" law go into effect you will just invite more people and better forgers.

At this point the government is too busy to compare notes on who is here legally....Look at 9/11...I think we have just enough to figure things out but
none of the agencies took the time to compare notes.

by the way "GUEST WORKER" is another stupid phrase...If you are a guest you shouldn't be working-except when you go to Gini's house-she expects to be pampered!

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The next president, who looks like he is gonna be a Dem, better get his arse straight on this topic.

Mexico has so many natural resources that it makes me sick-and the reason
that the country is on the verge of collapse is that jerk FOX...his political party won - the same political party ran the country for 76 years...

They made it farther than communism..those frealing commies wanted to run the world, the politicos in Mexico just wanted to rule something.

Talk to the leaders.

Or send George Clooney down there, he has the answers...but then again, who will cut his lawn, or take care of his kids??

You know RICHARD, I had a boss once who, every time I used a technical compensation term would say...."that's a stupid term!" And I always wondered....what am I suppose to do? Guest worker is a common term used....you don't like it....make up a better one for the concept. For some reason the governments of the world and the economists, etc., failed to consult with you before coming up with this term. ANd your example is grammatically incorrect. A working guest does not have the same meaning as guest worker.

Illegal immigrants are going to come to this country. A guest worker program...or whatever you care to call it it...would certainly be better than the current disaster.

Oh, and by the way.....

George Clooney doesn't have children and Fox belongs to PAN....which has NOT been the ruling party for 76 years. The ruling party in Mexico for decades before his election was PRI. Geez
(That's like calling Bush a Democrat!)

[cyber-sibes]

Unless you are a native-American, all of our families began here as immigrants. I know all of my grandparents did. They came in and did what was required to become legalized citizens. Why should people now expect to do it differently? If you want to be an American, fine. Do it legally.

[Sevaede]

I think it is a tad off that they are waving Mexican flags when the issue is about them becoming American citizens.

I am a dreamer but can realize that a lot of my ideas are a bit far fetched. I believe in equality. I think immigration is all fine and dandy but it should be done legally, you know? Isn't it kind of insulting and unfair to those who did go the right route?

It all boils down to this: ES is right. This is not a simple problem and there is no simple solution. One way or the other, a lot of people are going to be very pissed off.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I don't know but I do know the demonstrations just made me resent them being here illegally even more.

Not only the Mexican flags waving but the "We shall overcome" and "WE are America" signs I saw!!!

Maybe instead of worrying about Iran and their Nukes, we should "help" Mexico next. Surely there is some way to help their economy without taking over ???? besides letting them run our country I mean.

[Corinna]

MOFF couldn't agree more. I also agree that come here but do it legally and then be able to have rights and benifits we enjoy. We allso have to chance the born here law of immagrents too many getting here to have the kid knowing we can't send a baby back , there for can't send parents back either.

[RICHARD]

You know RICHARD, I had a boss once who, every time I used a technical compensation term would say...."that's a stupid term!"

I said stupid PHRASE. Politcally and grammatically incorrect? That's me!

George Clooney doesn't have children and Fox belongs to PAN....which has NOT been the ruling party for 76 years. The ruling party in Mexico for decades before his election was PRI. Geez
(That's like calling Bush a Democrat!)

The secret meaning to the adoption POV was A Jolie.

About the PRI and PAN I was trying to say that he was part of the NEW ruling party.......I guess I didn't try hard enough to "Bust My Hyphen"

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A short story.

Dad was a man of short sentences and big lessons.

When we were kids he took us to a farm to pick some tomatoes to can, and earn a few bucks. -that's the key to being Mexican and Catholic-lot's of kids to put to work!!

1) I swore that I would never give up knowledge to end up as a farm worker.

2) THAT IS A TOUGH JOB- Mud, insects and DDT (in those days..)

3) You picked a box, turned it over to the guy on the wagon and he gave you a ticket....Lot's of tickets? Lot's of money! (25 cents for a 25 lb box or some ridiculous amount like that) This was the late 60's, BTW.

So take your kids out to do some menial job like that...make them appreciate what they have and what they don't have to do to live.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

A short story.

Dad was a man of short sentences and big lessons.

When we were kids he took us to a farm to pick some tomatoes to can, and earn a few bucks. -that's the key to being Mexican and Catholic-lot's of kids to put to work!!

1) I swore that I would never give up knowledge to end up as a farm worker.

2) THAT IS A TOUGH JOB- Mud, insects and DDT (in those days..)

3) You picked a box, turned it over to the guy on the wagon and he gave you a ticket....Lot's of tickets? Lot's of money! (25 cents for a 25 lb box or some ridiculous amount like that) This was the late 60's, BTW.

So take your kids out to do some menial job like that...make them appreciate what they have and what they don't have to do to live.

When I was a kid, in the 50s, if we wanted spending money, we collected pop bottles and turned them in. They were worth a grand sum of 2 cents each. Lucky for us, there were lots of them because pop was not put in cans yet.

Now people in this area collect the cans and turn them in to help pay their utility bills.

[lizbud]

When I was a kid, in the 50s, if we wanted spending money, we collected pop bottles and turned them in. They were worth a grand sum of 2 cents each. Lucky for us, there were lots of them because pop was not put in cans yet.

Now people in this area collect the cans and turn them in to help pay their utility bills.

Moff,

I can't believe someone else besides me remembers doing that.
My brothers & I collected & returned bottles to get money for movies
or candy, etc. Ah, those were the days.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Moff,

I can't believe someone else besides me remembers doing that.
My brothers & I collected & returned bottles to get money for movies
or candy, etc. Ah, those were the days.

I didn't think anyone else even remembered pop came in BOTTLES!!!

[gini]

I didn't think anyone else even remembered pop came in BOTTLES!!!

Yoo Hoo, over here - it's me waving............I remember doing that! Anyone remember food tokens - and margarine that came in a large bag that was pure white and you had to mix it up with the red dye in the middle?

But back to the "guest worker" issue - and I DO NOT know the answer to this and will try to research it some. BUT, didn't we HAVE a guest worker program here (in California) at one time? What happened to that?

And "guest workers" - how do you get them to go home? If I am not mistaken, this is why the first program never worked.

Initially in the various demonstrations or marches here - all you saw were Mexican flags with a few others (countries) thrown in. Someone got hold of these people and told them to put them down - because there were tons of brand new American flags being waved on Monday and very few Mexican flags.

There is just one word that causes me the greatest problem and that is RIGHTS! So many that are here illegally talk about their RIGHTS -

The other harsh truth is that we as Americans have become soft - if we told a pack of teenagers that they were going to spend a day in the fields picking berries or grapes or vegetables - they would rebel - and then go back to playing with their i-pods.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

There is just one word that causes me the greatest problem and that is RIGHTS! So many that are here illegally talk about their RIGHTS -

The other harsh truth is that we as Americans have become soft - if we told a pack of teenagers that they were going to spend a day in the fields picking berries or grapes or vegetables - they would rebel - and then go back to playing with their i-pods.

Yea the RIGHTS issue has me seeing red too!!!

They think the streets of America are paved with gold and I guess for them they are!!! Can't blame people for taking what is freely offered I guess!!!

I wonder how many pop bottles I would need to cash if for an ipod???
If I was still a kid living at home that would be the only way I'd ever get one.
Now that I'm a crusty old adult, I find I don't really want one.

[Cataholic]

Moff,

I can't believe someone else besides me remembers doing that.
My brothers & I collected & returned bottles to get money for movies
or candy, etc. Ah, those were the days.

Move over, you two. I am 40 and remember collecting the stuff. I also wished, at the time, that I lived in Michigan, as they got more money for their cans/bottles!!!

[RICHARD]

Didn't mean to detour the thread with "tales of yor"...

By the time we were picking up bottles they were a nickel a piece.

(for a dollar you could buy a ham and cheese sub, RC cola in a bottle and have enough for a Hostess cupcake/snowball package.)

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Can we set the "rights" issue straight?


They have more HUMAN rights here than they would have any place else.

Civil/Citizen rights you have to earn.

Gonna go off the beaten track for a second.

One thing that does irk me is the "doing jobs that American's would do." line.

To the north of El Lay you can travel to Santa Barbara, in the morning, thru some farm areas where there are men picking veggies in the hot months of summer.

AS you trip back home after a day at the beach, shopping, etc.....they are in a different part of the field, still picking.

Tell a kid that they have to work for a few summers, picking veggies, or go to school -- the kid will pick school.

Tell a kid that they have to go to school, to better their lives - they would rather dropout and slum ......


There is a school up north that is holding a drawing for one ipod each semester for the kid with the best attendance.

NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT GRADES...

So, you can get an ipod for showing up, but learning? That's quite unfair!
(the school systems are paid by attendance, not grades..)

Ergo,

You show up in the US you should get citizenship, but forget learning citizenship..







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