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[popcornbird]

I was not going to post here again, BUT, I feel the need to do so now.

If Johanna had said she feels those Muslims are to blame, I would have had no problem with it. She didn't say that. She said she blames Islam because it IS to blame...emphasizing on the 'is' as if what she was saying was a fact. It was NOT posted as an opinion. To state such a thing as a 'fact', especially when an individual has absolutely NO knowledge on the issue is a major 'wrong'. Its not about opinions. Its about making a completely false statement to a public group, not having ANY knowledge to back up your statement, and insisting you have the right to have your opinion.

I have always had nothing but good feelings towards Johanna, and anyone from PT who was ever close to me is a witness of that. We've always had a strong friendship. I was utterly shocked and HURT when I read her post. To say something about the actions of Muslims, that wouldn't have bothered me. To say ISLAM is the PROBLEM??? Does that bother me? It kills me. To have that coming from my FRIEND, about something that is more important to ME than my existance. If she's saying anything about ISLAM, the religion...yes it DOES speak to me personally. It is my faith. The reason I live. AND, it is always MY top priority in life. To have someone not even knowing what it is come on a public forum and make such ridiculous comments is infuriating to me, and when it is such a close friend, it hurts like heck. I will need a LONG time to get over this.

Before I leave, I must add...people on PT, particularly in the Dog House, are a bunch of hypocrites. Everytime we've had threads about homosexuality, the MOMENT anyone voices THEIR OPINION (which they have every right of posting according to the argument 'its my opinion'), everyone jumps at their throat, says 'there are gays here...they will feel hurt...blah blah blah...'. Apparently, the feelings of some people are above the feelings of others. Apparently, hurting some people is a greater crime than hurting someone else. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy. I don't care if any of you are going to blast me for this. It is the truth, the truth, and nothing but the truth.

I guess certain people have more right to post their opinions than others. I guess its okay for people of other religions to commit the greatest of crimes, destroy entire nations...without being questioned. You people need to take your heads out of the sand, wake up and smell the coffee, and see what the reality is before opening your big mouths. We've had enough priests, Christian LEADERS in the CHURCH sexually molesting children with their own hands. Perhaps I should start saying Christianity is the problem. Know what impression that gives non-Christians about Christianity? Christian leaders molesting children. Nice. I'm not one to question a religion based on the actions of some, even if they are their leaders, because I KNOW that's not what the religion teaches. Ignorance is a MAJOR problem. I think about these things, the hypocrisy I see here constantly, the hypocrisy in the media, the hypocrisy of the nations in this world...AND...I wonder WHY???

That being said, I had to say what I had to say. I'm done with this thread.

[Cataholic]

How completely hypocritical of you. Completely. Whereas I made a VERY general statment (and who in God's name prefeces ANY thing with "this is my opinion) about Islam, you made VERY specific statments about things, here. If you go back to your first post in this thread, you are all OVER us, questioning our beliefs, insinuating that somehow we are 'less' because we laugh at something.

You talk about people here taking their heads out of the sand, that is just so funny to me. As if you somehow have this greater knowledge of life? As if.

You have EVERY right to express an opinion. But, so. do. I.

[caseysmom]

From what I have heard lots of IMAN's have molested youngs boys also, I don't think the catholics hold the market on that one.

I don't want to cause this to be any more tense than it already is PCB but it does seem like you put us in positions to defend our way of life lots of times and when you are questioned you get upset, sorry that is just what I have observed.

[Kfamr]

I don't want to cause this to be any more tense than it already is PCB but it does seem like you put us in positions to defend our way of life lots of times and when you are questioned you get upset, sorry that is just what I have observed.

This is very, very, very true.

Love her, but she has made many statements questioning people's beliefs, ways of life, etc. from the very beginning.


Like I said, if she had any problem at all with Johanna I believe as FRIENDS it should be talked about privately. Johanna or anyone else can't predict how someone's going to react to or read into a particular opinion. I had thought their friendship was greater than that, but maybe I was mistaken.

There are two VERY hurt sides here...

[Karen]

Okay, stop, folks. No name calling, no finger-pointing. Everyone is entitled to her/his opinion, however, there's no need to jump on each other.

I thank those who have taken this discussion seriously, and know that, while no one meant to hurt people's feelings, that is what has happened.

Christians kill each other - the American Civil war is one example. But it was not fought over "religion" per se, there were God-fearing Christian folks on both sides of that one. That's just a handy example.

War is never pretty.

War is never simple.

Let us, at Pet Talk, try to get along with each other, be respectful of each other's heartfelt opinions, and live together peaceably. We not be able to solve all the world's problems, but we can get along with each other.

Right?

And all of you who pray, pray please for peace.

[caseysmom]

PCB I think you are a very intelligent young woman and I have the utmost respect for you and for Islam. I think we can find ugly things in just about any group of people/religions/races, etc.

Unfortunetly we westerners do hear all the ugly stuff about Islam so that is our only information source besides you.

This is why I personally get turned off by religion, sorry for those with strong feelings about it I just feel like it separates people too much.

Obviously there are good things in Islam, all those billions of people who believe can't be believing in something that is only promoting violence, etc. Please don't be hurt by all of this I know its a big job for you to explain it to all of us but we do appreciate it and I do think some of the questions posed to you are meant to be inflammatory sometimes but just take it with a grain of salt and an opportunity to inform.