He-larry-ass

[Cataholic]

Joh, you may get into trouble for that but I must agree ~ sadly enough.

No kidding. Sheesh.

I would hope anyone reading my post would recognize that I have nothing but the utmost respect and love for PCB, and do not include her in my statement. She is one of the least violent, most loving people I have 'met'.

[lbaker]

I'm sure that's very clear to all, including Pops

[K9soul]

I'm sure that's very clear to all, including Pops

Well I may be in the minority here but it's not clear to me at all.

I 'blame' Islam because it IS Islam.

I was very shocked to read such a statement and I don't know how in the world PCB WOULDN'T feel hurt by that. Islam is her faith, her whole world centers around it. To state that terrorism and violence is because of Islam just blows my mind. I thought on PT people were always talking about never lumping one group together as a whole and making judgment, being open minded and accepting of all faiths and cultures. Can one blame Christianity for the actions of the KKK (which I consider to be a terrorist organization), or catholicism for the IRA's actions? Much of the world views America and Americans as world terrorists. It's all a matter of point of view.

I'll probably get blasted in some way for this, which is why I generally stay away from topics like this and keep my opinions to myself, but I see Pops getting hurt and jumped on in this thread (i.e. Cagney) when all she has ever done was ask questions when she didn't understand something and state her own opinions with conviction but without being judgmental if others felt differently. Yes her faith is very important to her but she did not tell anyone else they needed to feel the same way or believe the same way, she just stated her OWN beliefs the same way everyone else is.

I guess I've said what I want to say. Blast away .

[lbaker]

This whole thread started because of some humor that most of us found funny. That's called a sense of humor, one can laugh at what goes on around us instead of screaming and tearing our hair out. To take it and run it into personal things was never the intent. If anyone was offended they should stay out of "The Doghouse". IMO. I think some people aren't giving PCB the credit she deserves for having the strength of her convictions and respecting her for that, she doesn't need the peanut gallery, she handles herself OK. SHE didn't get rude, neither did Joh.

No "blast", just my opinion. I believe that's allowed, in The Doghouse.

[Vela]

Yeah opinions are allowed in the Doghouse but there is still no need to be rude and your "peanut gallery" comment was not necessary. You don't know how PCB felt about it and others do. SHe does stand up for her convictions and I give her plenty of credit, but I also know she's human and gets hurt feelings too when people say things that are judgemental about things she beleives in so strongly. Seems you ought to be able to disagree without being outright rude, even in the Doghouse, and since opinions are allowed here, this is mine. This thread was never meant to be harmful but it still doesn't excuse being rude.

[Kfamr]

And with the friendship that PCB and Johanna have had over the years, I'm SURE PCB knows very well how much Johanna cares for her and has never had any intent in upsetting her in any way.

It IS very clear to me as I don't think Johanna's intent towards anyone is to personally hurt them here, and especially not PCB, and I certainly hope PCB realizes that. She is HIGHLY capable of standing for herself, as we have all known her to do so.

If PCB has any problems at all with what Johanna said I hope to all that is good that she spoke with Johanna personally about that, as that's what friends do!




That said, someone with very, very strong beliefs and opinions should expect someone with differing beliefs and opinions to butt heads. Not saying anyone deserves any bashings or whatever you'd like to call it. But, they should have a heads up to what could possibly come about when their beliefs and opinions are said in public, especially being so strong.

[Cataholic]

I am at a total loss of words here. I rarely see the need to defend myself, as my opinions are my opinions, and, I am an individual quite capable of expressing them.

I continue to insist that only I know what I meant and didn't mean, and, while one could read anything they wanted into any post (and, Lord knows I have been accused many, many times of reading things into posts that apparently were not there), I still maintain that I, alone, have the 'right' to say what I did and did not intend.

I did not intend to insult PCB, personally. Having said that, I will not retract my statement about Islam. Good grief, if the only opinion everyone ever shared- whether it be 'right' or 'wrong' in another's eyes was what EVERYONE sanctioned as 'okay', there wouldn't be any discussion.

If PCB isn't responsible for ALL of Islam, then, why ever would my comments speak to her, personally? I am forbidden to voice an objection to Islam becauses of PCB? Whatever.

The internet should be a microcism of the 'real' world. In my 'real' world, one does not go around pretending not to have an opinion of something, lest it offend another. I wasn't rude in my post, and anyone that found offence at Lbaker's comment about the 'peanut gallery' is reaching. Plain reaching.

One can always find offense. How about one extending the benefit of the doubt?

Sometimes, I think I am still in high school with all the gossiping, pm'ing, "did you see what so and so said/did..", and the people jumping on the bandwagon type garbage.