New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

[Lori Jordan]

Stop contradicting yourself lady.

?And what is your reasoning for being rude

[luvofallhorses]

[Lori Jordan]

Its ok for everyone else to express there feelings and be rude though?right?

[Alysser]

?And what is your reasoning for being rude

Because you are being rude. We never ever ever stated that those kittens don't deserve a home. I am in complete agreement with Kay, Tamara and Delta should not be brought into this thread. There is no reason at all for it. i don't see how a dog running away and a cat having kittens is the same .

[Vela]

Your kittens are an oops unless you planned and thought out this pregnancy and intentionally bred your cats. I don't see where you are getting the whole thing about anyboy not wanting the kittens to live now that they are born and to find good homes and that they don't deserve to live. Calling it an oops pregnancy is in no way giving them a title. Nobody said you should just leave them to die now that they are born, the entire problem people were/are having is the fact that your cats were never spayed and ended up pregnant, which adds to the overpopulation problem.

"It really has no concern to any of them if i was abusing these animals or mistreating them in anyway then sure step in and yes i know what can happen i was breeding dogs and kittens longer than most in here have been alive i do not need to be told."

This comment is what made most people upset, unless I'm mistaken, and made it sound like you figure you know everything there is to know and don't need to ever learn anything else. That's how is comes across. While that may not be how you meant it, that's how it sounds. Just to clarify why it seemed to get people upset. Anyway good luck to you and the reminaing kitten and the kittens of the other cat and I hope they don't have any more babies. There are plenty enough to go around already.


BTW I never claimed to be an angel, nor did I tell you to go back and read any posts, I was talking to someone else. I am also as entitled to my opinion as you are yours and I think it was wrong not to spay your cats. I'm not going to change my opinion because you don't like it, sorry. And breeding your dog in the past has absolutely nothing to do with your cats being pregnant now because they weren't spayed. Sorry you don't like my opinion of it, but I didn't ask you to agree with me, I just responded to a post on a public forum. If you get so upset with people posting and talking about what you post, then I don't know why you post it. You have to be willing to hear things you both like and dislike, we all do.

[Lori Jordan]

Your kittens are an oops unless you planned and thought out this pregnancy and intentionally bred your cats. I don't see where you are getting the whole thing about anyboy not wanting the kittens to live now that they are born and to find good homes and that they don't deserve to live. Calling it an oops pregnancy is in no way giving them a title. Nobody said you should just leave them to die now that they are born, the entire problem people were/are having is the fact that your cats were never spayed and ended up pregnant, which adds to the overpopulation problem.

"It really has no concern to any of them if i was abusing these animals or mistreating them in anyway then sure step in and yes i know what can happen i was breeding dogs and kittens longer than most in here have been alive i do not need to be told."

This comment is what made most people upset, unless I'm mistaken, and made it sound like you figure you know everything there is to know and don't need to ever learn anything else. That's how is comes across. While that may not be how you meant it, that's how it sounds. Just to clarify why it seemed to get people upset. Anyway good luck to you and the reminaing kitten and the kittens of the other cat and I hope they don't have any more babies. There are plenty enough to go around already.

Ok you said your part whether they are oops are not the Baby should not be called names.I take effence to that but being called a enresponible breeder.how many people have had many unexpected littlers ,and that does not make them a bad person in the least.Everyone has there opinions and it has been expressed but you all here "most"are saying that im rude and all the rest why hasnt any of the rest owned up to being rude! I am expecting another litter and by the look of the kitten it looks to be my next door neighbors cat and he is fine up to date shots she came over and agreed it had to of been her cat.But that does not mean i can cut her down a size,it happend there is nothing i can take back or change all there is left to do is deal with it,and make sure these cats have the best lifes they can possibly can!that is all we can do.But saying the things that have been said are degrading to me and i have done nothing but been nice to all other problems and situations that have come up in the months i have been here why cant i get that in return?

[Lori Jordan]

As to the dog breeding i was told i was irresponsible so now being able to have an opinion i responded to it,

[Alysser]

The way you stated it was very ignorant. For one, you never said anything about the dogs and from the way you let your cats get pregnant people assumed you were irresponsible. We never called YOU rude. We called your posts rude. And by the way, in no way was Krista being rude. She said to spay and neuter your animals and I don't see anything in that statement that is rude and/or offensive.

[Lori Jordan]

The way you stated it was very ignorant. For one, you never said anything about the dogs and from the way you let your cats get pregnant people assumed you were irresponsible. We never called YOU rude. We called your posts rude. And by the way, in no way was Krista being rude. She said to spay and neuter your animals and I don't see anything in that statement that is rude and/or offensive.

Ok lets fiinish this right now! Yes my cats got out! i realize that BUT i did not say ok go out and get pregnant!!!!!!One chewed through a screen i did not know they were out until i was outside doing some gardening and i Cally came running to me and brought her back inside they cats have there own little den in the basement And when i say basement i dont mean a grungy old basement it is our living area our living room is down there(Just so people do not think i keep them in a basement).
Anyhow i went looking for Alex and she was no where to be found i figured they must have snuck out when the door was open from us coming in and out,I was coming home from work when i noticed Alex sitting on my front porch and i was relieved living out here in the country anything can happen there is so many different animals that is why i fenced my back yard i have had Coyotes deer everything anyways i did not notice that day but a week or two had passed and they were getting chubby.
So now i have had one litter,2nd ones are on there way,and i am not happy that this has happend but im not going to take it out on the baby,I will be getting them fixed YES!But that still does not change the fact that i have kittens.Accidents happen and yes this could of been prevented but they have never spent a day outside as to the batch of kittens i had last year it was a cat that showed up on my doorstep and a week later had 5 kittens all have been placed in homes As to the mother cat she has found a loving home with my sister in law and is doing great!
I cannot change what has happend but some support would be great i have not been in the best of moods the baby that died last night has been really hard on me i tried all i could and i feel horrible that i could not save the little one!

[Vela]

I owned up to being rude earlier and I apologized for it. I made some posts based strictly on emotion and not thinking through what I was saying. It came after watching the video of the dogs in the garbage can and it upset me. Most of my posts, however, were not bashing but only voicing my opinion of WHY I thought it was irresponsible and why it bothered me. While I admit I posted in haste and not very nicely in a couple of my posts, it does not change my opinion of spaying and neutering. I am glad to hear they will be fixed in the future, it will be better for them and for you. Nobody dislikes the kittens, and everyone wants to see them go to a good home but it still upsets people to see babies born when there are so many dying and nothing is going to make anyone feel differently about that. I also know that nobody here wants to see anything bad happen to the kittens at this point so please stop thinking that anyone has said that. Calling them an oops is not calling them names, it's simply referring to the unplanned pregnancy, and is much easier to type out than "unplanned pregnancy" so there is no need to take offence to that. I also want to emphasize that being irresponsible in regards to something, like not spyaing your pets, or whatever, does not mean someone is a bad person and nobody implied you were a bad person. In my opinion it IS irresponsible not to fix them, but that doesn't mean everyone hates you or thinks you are a bad person, it means people thought that not fixing your cats was not a responsible thing to do.

[cmayer31]

Every now and then a thread comes along that touches a lot of people just the right way and this is one of those.

Lori, I'm glad that you are excited that the cats have had kittens. The picture is very cute, and I'm terribly sorry to hear that one of them has passed over the bridge. It's exciting when new life comes into the world and I understand your excitment that there are new babies on the way. It is good to hear that you plan to have the cats spayed and that is the best thing to do in my opinion.

I think the big picture is that it happened, and nothing is going to change that fact now. However, where most of the people on this board are coming from is that it "could" have been avoided... true. The bigger picture is that now the cats will be spayed and it will not happen again, and that is all that can be expected at this point in time, right now. There is a huge population of pets both mixed and purebred and that population needs help in the form of adoptions and rescues; not to be amplified by accidental litters. The only way to prevent accidental litters is through spaying and neutering, and that is all that I personally ask is to help the population by spaying and neutering before the next oops. I don't think anyone meant to be offensive, I just think that the nature of this thread leads to a bit more defensive/emotional threads.

I do expect to see more pictures of course, of the kitties and the new canine addition.