New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

[K9soul]

I don't believe anyone is upset that the cats got out. Many of us have had a cat or dog get out and it's scary but it happens sometimes. What has people upset is that they were not spayed, and seems to feel that if she wants to breed cats and dogs no one should question her on it. When people brought up spaying the cats and kittens, she got upset and defensive, stating she's been breeding cats and dogs longer than many here have been born. That is what triggered a lot of people to become emotional and upset about it.

That's why I felt there is no need to bring Delta into this, it has zero bearing on the argument/conflict that is going on here since it's not about the cats getting out. Plus I am VERY sure Tamara is tired of seeing her name brought in as a comparison, it's been done before in other threads which I know you weren't here then, but I just feel bad to see it happen again.

I guess what it comes down to is she wants to be happy and excited about the kittens and the new lives.. and that is natural but I think people just want her to realize what a serious issue it is too, and when trying to tell her that, she immediately takes it as a personal attack and gets upset. Then others get offended and upset by her responses, and it turns into a vicious cycle.

[CagneyDog]

Sure, mistakes happen, we're human. However, if you truly are the avid animal lover you make yourself out to be wouldn't you KNOW that spaying and neutering is crucial and very important? (and that your cats shouldnt be outside period, but thats a whole different debate). It isn't about the home you are finding them, or the care you are providing right now. This stuff is all things that are being handled after the slip you made. Bottom line is, a combination of lack of knowledge and ignorance just made you make a very irresponsible choice. Own up to it. Part of being responsible after the fact is admitting you're wrong!

Think logically. We can hope we can change it, but to change the WHOLE world is not logical.

Maybe it's negative, but it's MY opinion and I can freely express it, Kay.

Are you joking? People can change the world whether it be for better or for worst. For example, the terrorist attack on 9/11. That certainly changed the world negativily. A more positive example would be Nelson Mandela and his fight for rights.
I know you're young, but I'd expect a more educated opinion than that
In away, I'm almost feel bad that you have such a twisted opinion. If everyone had that opinion we would have 0 hope for the generations to come.

[Riptide]

We can get her to realize how serious this is without getting overly defensive and somewhat rude...

[Flatcoatluver]

ok I have on more input. MY STORY~
My parents have breeded dogs ever since they first got married (responsibly) As much as we enjoyed having puppies a litter a year. We would spent a lot of money on each litter, we did it responsibly. So I am not just one young girl that has had loads of expeirence with shelter animals but I have also had breeding experiences. I am comparing dog breeding to cat breeding. But we loved animals and seeing all of the unresponsible breeders and shelter animals. Are rb Tera (english setter) was the last girl we breeded. But we had a lot of dogs. We controlled them and cared for them when they came in heat. We had a TALL fence and watched them very carefully.

[Vela]

Many of us didn't even post until she became exceptionally rude and condescending, if you take a look back.

[Alysser]

Vela is correct. No one was rude to Lori. We simply voiced our opinions on the topic. Need I remind you? This is a public forum with people. People have different opinions. We are giving her friendly advice and in no way,shape,or form were we "rude" to her. In my experience, when someone has a different opinion from another indivuidaul(sp?) they automatically think that the other person is being rude because they are agianst it. That's exactly what's happening here.

Lori, are you proud of breeding dogs and cats eresponisibly? That's not something people want to hear here. How did our dogs come into the world has nothing to do with this so please don't think it's a good comeback. RESPONSIBLE breeders created some of our dogs. As for the mutts, people rescued them from the shelter because they are an "OOPS" litter. I see no point in being proud of this. Personally, I don't care if you bred animals before I was born because you are creating more and more animals while others die. I will never never ever breed a dog. It's irresponsible unless done properly. I don't see why you are so proud of this.

[dogzr#1]

Well many people on this board, including myself, are against people having 'oops' litters. We think that all people should get their pet fixed to prevent having 'oops' litters and we support shelters for that very reason. Just think- Because you failed to get your cat spayed two kittens were brought into this world. That means two kittens in a shelter are going to be put to sleep. I don't 'hate' people who breed any animal, but it takes great experience, money, and the animal has to have many tests done to show that it is a prime example of the breed. Just because you bred dogs for many years doesn't mean that you know how to do it correctly. What if when you were breeding, you did it irresponsibly and you thought it was correct when it really wasn't? Well, I just have to say that although the cat was irresponsibly bred, I wish you luck in raising the kittens. ~~~Just my opinion.

Also, most of the arguments on here come about because two sides with different opinions try to defend their opinion, thinking that it is right.

[Flatcoatluver]

I hope you have tooken the kittens to the vet to make sure they don't have feline luekima(sp) and other problems, since you don't even know what the father is.

[Lori Jordan]

NEWS FLASH! You can get pure bred dogs at shelters and breed specific rescues. Not EVERY purebred comes from a breeder. Also, there is a different between you and a responsible breeder, for instance, Luvofgold00! She is a very, very responsible breeder.



Quite possibly a forum isn't the place for you... you seem to have issues with accepting opinions and differing morals.

I dont breed cats!News Flash!

[Alysser]

I dont breed cats!News Flash!

She wasn't talking about cats. She was talking about dogs, as before you said "I have been breeding cats and dogs since before you were born."

[Lori Jordan]

Don't get me wrong, I am glad the kittens have homes, I am glad she was responsible about that and is hopefully getting her cats fixed. It is often hard not to post in haste when someone starts yelling in their posts and having an uncaring attitude that this could have and should have been avoided and that's it's just fine to let our pets breed without a though to preventing it. I admit I replied in haste in one of my posts but neither of the others was meant to be anatgonistic, but the replies became so and I should have kept my calm. It get such an overwhelming sadness when I see things like that video and realize that they are all dying, and being dumped in the garbage!, just because people won't fix their pets. It's different if someone says, oh man I meant to get my cat fixed but she went into heat and got pregnant before I could get to it, and actually feels bad about it, but when it seems like the person is just like yeah whatever, who cares, it's frustrating. And it's a very emotion driven topic for all but when the OP gets antagonitstic it's hard for others not to. I know I didn't feel that way until the OP acted like she knew it all and was smarter than everyone and it was just fine and dandy. I am done posting in this thread, I wish good luck to the moms and babies and hope they don't end up with any more litters.

Not once did i act like a know it all not once i have kittens bottom line and as too taking homes away from others have you looked at a local paper?and have seen all the ads of "Free Kittens".Does that mean that those kittens dont deserve homes?not at all one thing that needs to be put on the table is these kittens are not to blame on why they came into this world and there is one left the other passed away last night i took him into the vets his foot was swollen and purple from Cally biting the kitten and he passed on the table i do not have a dont care attitude at all.If i didnt care id just leave the kitten to die,also the kitten did not latch on he was having problems so i went into the vets got the suplement to feed it i was the one that got no sleep trying to get this kitten back to have strength to survive but no one sees that yes i know she should have been fixed i realize that but there has been hardly any support now if you were on my end you would feel the same way,and i know you's would.It hurts what hurts the most is being told its all my fault,its my fault she chewed a hole in the screen and got out .What has botherd me the most some people want shelter pets some dont and you and i cannot help that,but it does not mean that the kitten who is surving does not deserve a home and too be loved id have every single animal in a shelter if i could,Some of you forget i fosterd dogs for a couple years until my health got into the way of things,I do care and i do not to be put out as heartless i'm far from that!

[Kfamr]

DO NOT - I REPEAT- DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT bring Tamara OR Delta into this conversation. That is uncalled for and Tamara has been brought into TOO many freaking threads like this where her story doesn't even come CLOSE to the irresponsible actions that have happened here.

DO NOT.

Tamara has been hurt far too many times while being brought up in threads like this and I for one do not appreciate it and I know she doesn't either. She is far too responsible in the care of her animals to even begin having any relation to this thread. I for one hope she misses this thread by chance as I don't like seeing her hurt.

[Kfamr]

I dont breed cats!News Flash!

Stop contradicting yourself lady.

[Lori Jordan]

yes but you should NOT bring Delta in this thread. IT'S two differnent things and two different animals. We arn't mad about her cats gettting out, are we?

Why do u need other peoples opinions and guidance to be mad at something this is just the thing its like a train one person gets upset then everyone gets upset do you not have your own mind to make choices with?

[Lori Jordan]

Stop contradicting yourself lady.

?And what is your reasoning for being rude