New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

[K9soul]

I'm tired of seeing Glacier/Tamara brought up in these controversial threads as an example when one has nothing to do with the other. It seems to happen constantly and it's always Glacier brought into these things, why? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think it is rude. She has had nothing to do with this thread and shouldn't be mentioned and made into an analogy.

[Riptide]

I was using her as an example simply because her and Delta's situation relates to this one pretty well. The whole getting out thing, I mean.

[caseysmom]

I agree k9soul and I almost posted the same response.

[My Peanuts]

I'm tired of seeing Glacier/Tamara brought up in these controversial threads as an example when one has nothing to do with the other. It seems to happen constantly and it's always Glacier brought into these things, why? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think it is rude. She has had nothing to do with this thread and shouldn't be mentioned and made into an analogy.

I agree. Totally different situation.

[K9soul]

I don't believe anyone is upset that the cats got out. Many of us have had a cat or dog get out and it's scary but it happens sometimes. What has people upset is that they were not spayed, and seems to feel that if she wants to breed cats and dogs no one should question her on it. When people brought up spaying the cats and kittens, she got upset and defensive, stating she's been breeding cats and dogs longer than many here have been born. That is what triggered a lot of people to become emotional and upset about it.

That's why I felt there is no need to bring Delta into this, it has zero bearing on the argument/conflict that is going on here since it's not about the cats getting out. Plus I am VERY sure Tamara is tired of seeing her name brought in as a comparison, it's been done before in other threads which I know you weren't here then, but I just feel bad to see it happen again.

I guess what it comes down to is she wants to be happy and excited about the kittens and the new lives.. and that is natural but I think people just want her to realize what a serious issue it is too, and when trying to tell her that, she immediately takes it as a personal attack and gets upset. Then others get offended and upset by her responses, and it turns into a vicious cycle.

[Riptide]

We can get her to realize how serious this is without getting overly defensive and somewhat rude...

[Vela]

Many of us didn't even post until she became exceptionally rude and condescending, if you take a look back.

[Alysser]

Vela is correct. No one was rude to Lori. We simply voiced our opinions on the topic. Need I remind you? This is a public forum with people. People have different opinions. We are giving her friendly advice and in no way,shape,or form were we "rude" to her. In my experience, when someone has a different opinion from another indivuidaul(sp?) they automatically think that the other person is being rude because they are agianst it. That's exactly what's happening here.

Lori, are you proud of breeding dogs and cats eresponisibly? That's not something people want to hear here. How did our dogs come into the world has nothing to do with this so please don't think it's a good comeback. RESPONSIBLE breeders created some of our dogs. As for the mutts, people rescued them from the shelter because they are an "OOPS" litter. I see no point in being proud of this. Personally, I don't care if you bred animals before I was born because you are creating more and more animals while others die. I will never never ever breed a dog. It's irresponsible unless done properly. I don't see why you are so proud of this.

[dogzr#1]

Well many people on this board, including myself, are against people having 'oops' litters. We think that all people should get their pet fixed to prevent having 'oops' litters and we support shelters for that very reason. Just think- Because you failed to get your cat spayed two kittens were brought into this world. That means two kittens in a shelter are going to be put to sleep. I don't 'hate' people who breed any animal, but it takes great experience, money, and the animal has to have many tests done to show that it is a prime example of the breed. Just because you bred dogs for many years doesn't mean that you know how to do it correctly. What if when you were breeding, you did it irresponsibly and you thought it was correct when it really wasn't? Well, I just have to say that although the cat was irresponsibly bred, I wish you luck in raising the kittens. ~~~Just my opinion.

Also, most of the arguments on here come about because two sides with different opinions try to defend their opinion, thinking that it is right.

[Lori Jordan]

Vela is correct. No one was rude to Lori. We simply voiced our opinions on the topic. Need I remind you? This is a public forum with people. People have different opinions. We are giving her friendly advice and in no way,shape,or form were we "rude" to her. In my experience, when someone has a different opinion from another indivuidaul(sp?) they automatically think that the other person is being rude because they are agianst it. That's exactly what's happening here.

Lori, are you proud of breeding dogs and cats eresponisibly? That's not something people want to hear here. How did our dogs come into the world has nothing to do with this so please don't think it's a good comeback. RESPONSIBLE breeders created some of our dogs. As for the mutts, people rescued them from the shelter because they are an "OOPS" litter. I see no point in being proud of this. Personally, I don't care if you bred animals before I was born because you are creating more and more animals while others die. I will never never ever breed a dog. It's irresponsible unless done properly. I don't see why you are so proud of this.

Well i was not an erasponsible dog breeder thanks for that though my dogs are in the Police forces all over the world some are retired now and yes i do take pride in that,who wouldn't.

[Lori Jordan]

Many of us didn't even post until she became exceptionally rude and condescending, if you take a look back.

Ok how would you feel and im not being rude im being defensive im fighting for myself,I'm not a bad person the way i am being put out to be ,and that is wrong as to my cats getting out the ate through my screen and these windows have been open for 3 years so yes it a big deal im aware of distemper and all the rest that comes along but instead of calling me names and telling me to go back and read posts why dont you?You have not been an angel by anymeans.As too all the rest that has been said i only started being rude when i was being charged at bottom line.And i do not take pride on acting like i have but being attacked is not a nice thing expesially when i have been nothing but nice on all other posts that people have been looking for some guidence and help....

[Lori Jordan]

I don't believe anyone is upset that the cats got out. Many of us have had a cat or dog get out and it's scary but it happens sometimes. What has people upset is that they were not spayed, and seems to feel that if she wants to breed cats and dogs no one should question her on it. When people brought up spaying the cats and kittens, she got upset and defensive, stating she's been breeding cats and dogs longer than many here have been born. That is what triggered a lot of people to become emotional and upset about it.

That's why I felt there is no need to bring Delta into this, it has zero bearing on the argument/conflict that is going on here since it's not about the cats getting out. Plus I am VERY sure Tamara is tired of seeing her name brought in as a comparison, it's been done before in other threads which I know you weren't here then, but I just feel bad to see it happen again.

I guess what it comes down to is she wants to be happy and excited about the kittens and the new lives.. and that is natural but I think people just want her to realize what a serious issue it is too, and when trying to tell her that, she immediately takes it as a personal attack and gets upset. Then others get offended and upset by her responses, and it turns into a vicious cycle.

As tp breeding cats i wrote that wrong i have never bred cats just German Shepherds,so i apologize for the mix up!And in all everyone gets deffensive when they are getting a finger pointed at and in all of these posts the kittens were unexpected and i do not like them being called an Ooops they are defensless and should not have to pay for why they were born and i do not look as them as a mistake they are too sweet and innocent to have that title put on them.

[Alysser]

i do not look as them as a mistake they are too sweet and innocent to have that title put on them.

That's what many people think before they breed they're cats. They think just because they are cute and innocent people will want them. They don't realize they are adding to the populations of animals in shelters. Did you ever think of the father? Sure, the mom may be the nicest cat in the world. But the father could be the nastiest cat in town. He could have diseases, behavoiral issues,ect. and these kittens may have to pay with their lives for the disease.