New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

[Riptide]

Aww, congrats Lori! Can't wait to see pictures!

I'm gonna voice my opinion, too, but I'll try not to start anything, lol.

As said before, accidents do indeed happen. True, it may have been a better choice to get the cats spayed earlier on, but the fact is that they werent this time. -shrugs- The cats got out, and the pregancies were by accident. Guys, chances are that most of you have had an experience with a pet getting out of the gate, etc, by pure accident. Take Glacier and her dog, Delta, for example. Delta was missing, it was a huge deal, because she loves Delta. Did PT not support Glacier and Delta through their troubles? It is no different here. Please stop attacking Lori for an accident. Instead, we should be supporting her and offering our advice and knowledge (in a KIND way) so she can successfully raise the wonderful kittens, and hopefully prevent an accident like this from happening again ^^

You have my support all the way ^^

[Roxyluvsme13]

Aww, congrats Lori! Can't wait to see pictures!

I'm gonna voice my opinion, too, but I'll try not to start anything, lol.

As said before, accidents do indeed happen. True, it may have been a better choice to get the cats spayed earlier on, but the fact is that they werent this time. -shrugs- The cats got out, and the pregancies were by accident. Guys, chances are that most of you have had an experience with a pet getting out of the gate, etc, by pure accident. Take Glacier and her dog, Delta, for example. Delta was missing, it was a huge deal, because she loves Delta. Did PT not support Glacier and Delta through their troubles? It is no different here. Please stop attacking Lori for an accident. Instead, we should be supporting her and offering our advice and knowledge (in a KIND way) so she can successfully raise the wonderful kittens, and hopefully prevent an accident like this from happening again ^^

You have my support all the way ^^

I agree with you 110% .

[K9soul]

I'm tired of seeing Glacier/Tamara brought up in these controversial threads as an example when one has nothing to do with the other. It seems to happen constantly and it's always Glacier brought into these things, why? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think it is rude. She has had nothing to do with this thread and shouldn't be mentioned and made into an analogy.

[Riptide]

I was using her as an example simply because her and Delta's situation relates to this one pretty well. The whole getting out thing, I mean.

[caseysmom]

I agree k9soul and I almost posted the same response.

[My Peanuts]

I'm tired of seeing Glacier/Tamara brought up in these controversial threads as an example when one has nothing to do with the other. It seems to happen constantly and it's always Glacier brought into these things, why? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think it is rude. She has had nothing to do with this thread and shouldn't be mentioned and made into an analogy.

I agree. Totally different situation.

[K9soul]

I don't believe anyone is upset that the cats got out. Many of us have had a cat or dog get out and it's scary but it happens sometimes. What has people upset is that they were not spayed, and seems to feel that if she wants to breed cats and dogs no one should question her on it. When people brought up spaying the cats and kittens, she got upset and defensive, stating she's been breeding cats and dogs longer than many here have been born. That is what triggered a lot of people to become emotional and upset about it.

That's why I felt there is no need to bring Delta into this, it has zero bearing on the argument/conflict that is going on here since it's not about the cats getting out. Plus I am VERY sure Tamara is tired of seeing her name brought in as a comparison, it's been done before in other threads which I know you weren't here then, but I just feel bad to see it happen again.

I guess what it comes down to is she wants to be happy and excited about the kittens and the new lives.. and that is natural but I think people just want her to realize what a serious issue it is too, and when trying to tell her that, she immediately takes it as a personal attack and gets upset. Then others get offended and upset by her responses, and it turns into a vicious cycle.

[Riptide]

We can get her to realize how serious this is without getting overly defensive and somewhat rude...

[Vela]

Many of us didn't even post until she became exceptionally rude and condescending, if you take a look back.

[Lori Jordan]

I don't believe anyone is upset that the cats got out. Many of us have had a cat or dog get out and it's scary but it happens sometimes. What has people upset is that they were not spayed, and seems to feel that if she wants to breed cats and dogs no one should question her on it. When people brought up spaying the cats and kittens, she got upset and defensive, stating she's been breeding cats and dogs longer than many here have been born. That is what triggered a lot of people to become emotional and upset about it.

That's why I felt there is no need to bring Delta into this, it has zero bearing on the argument/conflict that is going on here since it's not about the cats getting out. Plus I am VERY sure Tamara is tired of seeing her name brought in as a comparison, it's been done before in other threads which I know you weren't here then, but I just feel bad to see it happen again.

I guess what it comes down to is she wants to be happy and excited about the kittens and the new lives.. and that is natural but I think people just want her to realize what a serious issue it is too, and when trying to tell her that, she immediately takes it as a personal attack and gets upset. Then others get offended and upset by her responses, and it turns into a vicious cycle.

As tp breeding cats i wrote that wrong i have never bred cats just German Shepherds,so i apologize for the mix up!And in all everyone gets deffensive when they are getting a finger pointed at and in all of these posts the kittens were unexpected and i do not like them being called an Ooops they are defensless and should not have to pay for why they were born and i do not look as them as a mistake they are too sweet and innocent to have that title put on them.

[Alysser]

i do not look as them as a mistake they are too sweet and innocent to have that title put on them.

That's what many people think before they breed they're cats. They think just because they are cute and innocent people will want them. They don't realize they are adding to the populations of animals in shelters. Did you ever think of the father? Sure, the mom may be the nicest cat in the world. But the father could be the nastiest cat in town. He could have diseases, behavoiral issues,ect. and these kittens may have to pay with their lives for the disease.

[My Peanuts]

Aww, congrats Lori! Can't wait to see pictures!

I'm gonna voice my opinion, too, but I'll try not to start anything, lol.

As said before, accidents do indeed happen. True, it may have been a better choice to get the cats spayed earlier on, but the fact is that they werent this time. -shrugs- The cats got out, and the pregancies were by accident. Guys, chances are that most of you have had an experience with a pet getting out of the gate, etc, by pure accident. Take Glacier and her dog, Delta, for example. Delta was missing, it was a huge deal, because she loves Delta. Did PT not support Glacier and Delta through their troubles? It is no different here. Please stop attacking Lori for an accident. Instead, we should be supporting her and offering our advice and knowledge (in a KIND way) so she can successfully raise the wonderful kittens, and hopefully prevent an accident like this from happening again ^^

You have my support all the way ^^

This is well said, but I see this as a pet lover and animal lover board. We say what we say for the love of the animals that don't know any better, but we should. Many of us have our opinions because we have seen and heard stories of the horrific things that happen to animals due to over population.

Yes there are times when an oops litter can happen and can be acceptable in my opinion. For example my dog Jimmy couldn’t get fixed because he had heartworm (he has since been fixed and HW negative) All the other dogs in my house are fixed and no dog has ever jumped our fence. I watched Jimmy to make sure he never got out. After all that if he got out and got a someone pregnant somehow, I’d hope I’d have support here. This didn’t happen, but it could have if I let my guard down even one time. I didn’t.

[Flatcoatluver]

Yes there are times when an oops litter can happen and can be acceptable in my opinion. For example my dog Jimmy couldn’t get fixed because he had heartworm (he has since been fixed and HW negative) All the other dogs in my house are fixed and no dog has ever jumped our fence. I watched Jimmy to make sure he never got out. After all that if he got out and got a someone pregnant somehow, I’d hope I’d have support here. This didn’t happen, but it could have if I let my guard down even one time. I didn’t.

you would get the support because you CAN'T neuter Jimmy. She could have spayed her cats but didn't to it in time

[Riptide]

No, she didnt spay them in time, but you'll have to live with that fact. I still see no reason for being rude to her.

[My Peanuts]

No, she didnt spay them in time, but you'll have to live with that fact. I still see no reason for being rude to her.

My comments, as well as probably everyone else, are because of my love for animals. If this happened and she came on here and was upset with herself or with the situation (not the kittens) then I'd support and defend her. This isn't a legitimate "oops litter." Yes it was an accident, but there is no remorse.