New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

**Vela** · 04-25-2006, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

So how were your dogs brought into this world?

Well if you must know, one was a rescue and one was from a reputable breeder who was trying to better the breed. There is a big difference between that and what happened here. I am as entitled to my opinons as you are to yours. Reputable breeders only do so to better the breed and don't go around just letting their animals breed because they don't bother to get them fixed. If you don't like getting others opinions then don't make posts, if you are going to make them be prepared to get opinons that go along with yours and those who go against yours, since we all have differing ones. There is nothing wrong with responsible breeding, but that is not what you did and you know it. There are kids on here who are not in charge of whether their pets get spayed or not and that's totally diffierent, it's not up to them. But you are an adult who can make that choice and if you aren't going to get them spayed, then it is up to you to be repsonsible enough not tolet them produce any more animals that we are already killing in the thousands each day. Like it or not that's the truth of it.

**caseysmom** · 04-25-2006, 06:09 PM

I have learned a bunch from pettalk and glad all the folks on here educated me. I did rescue casey but bubba I bought from an ad in the paper, from what I have learned here I would not do that again. I searched and searched the local shelters for a small dog and gave up.

We are never too old to learn from others, I have learned a lot from people half my age and I am not too proud to admit that. Sorry we hurt your feelings or you feel attacked.

**BC_MoM** · 04-25-2006, 06:15 PM

I know in some cases it is best to underestimate the best of people, especially in situations like these.

But what's wrong with having faith every one in a while that people will do the right thing?

I'm sure Lori will appropriately place the kittens. How about having faith in a fellow PTer?

**caseysmom** · 04-25-2006, 06:16 PM

BCmom I don't think that is the issue, those homes could place some kittens doomed for death in the shelters.

**Roxyluvsme13** · 04-25-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by caseysmom

BCmom I don't think that is the issue, those homes could place some kittens doomed for death in the shelters.

But if these kittens wouldn't have had homes they would have ended up in shelters, too, most likely, and would, like other kittens, be doomed for death.

**Vela** · 04-25-2006, 06:24 PM

Don't get me wrong, I am glad the kittens have homes, I am glad she was responsible about that and is hopefully getting her cats fixed. It is often hard not to post in haste when someone starts yelling in their posts and having an uncaring attitude that this could have and should have been avoided and that's it's just fine to let our pets breed without a though to preventing it. I admit I replied in haste in one of my posts but neither of the others was meant to be anatgonistic, but the replies became so and I should have kept my calm. It get such an overwhelming sadness when I see things like that video and realize that they are all dying, and being dumped in the garbage!, just because people won't fix their pets. It's different if someone says, oh man I meant to get my cat fixed but she went into heat and got pregnant before I could get to it, and actually feels bad about it, but when it seems like the person is just like yeah whatever, who cares, it's frustrating. And it's a very emotion driven topic for all but when the OP gets antagonitstic it's hard for others not to. I know I didn't feel that way until the OP acted like she knew it all and was smarter than everyone and it was just fine and dandy. I am done posting in this thread, I wish good luck to the moms and babies and hope they don't end up with any more litters.

**Riptide** · 04-25-2006, 06:32 PM

Aww, congrats Lori! Can't wait to see pictures!

I'm gonna voice my opinion, too, but I'll try not to start anything, lol.

As said before, accidents do indeed happen. True, it may have been a better choice to get the cats spayed earlier on, but the fact is that they werent this time. -shrugs- The cats got out, and the pregancies were by accident. Guys, chances are that most of you have had an experience with a pet getting out of the gate, etc, by pure accident. Take Glacier and her dog, Delta, for example. Delta was missing, it was a huge deal, because she loves Delta. Did PT not support Glacier and Delta through their troubles? It is no different here. Please stop attacking Lori for an accident. Instead, we should be supporting her and offering our advice and knowledge (in a KIND way) so she can successfully raise the wonderful kittens, and hopefully prevent an accident like this from happening again ^^

You have my support all the way ^^

**Lori Jordan** · 04-25-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Vela

Don't get me wrong, I am glad the kittens have homes, I am glad she was responsible about that and is hopefully getting her cats fixed. It is often hard not to post in haste when someone starts yelling in their posts and having an uncaring attitude that this could have and should have been avoided and that's it's just fine to let our pets breed without a though to preventing it. I admit I replied in haste in one of my posts but neither of the others was meant to be anatgonistic, but the replies became so and I should have kept my calm. It get such an overwhelming sadness when I see things like that video and realize that they are all dying, and being dumped in the garbage!, just because people won't fix their pets. It's different if someone says, oh man I meant to get my cat fixed but she went into heat and got pregnant before I could get to it, and actually feels bad about it, but when it seems like the person is just like yeah whatever, who cares, it's frustrating. And it's a very emotion driven topic for all but when the OP gets antagonitstic it's hard for others not to. I know I didn't feel that way until the OP acted like she knew it all and was smarter than everyone and it was just fine and dandy. I am done posting in this thread, I wish good luck to the moms and babies and hope they don't end up with any more litters.

Not once did i act like a know it all not once i have kittens bottom line and as too taking homes away from others have you looked at a local paper?and have seen all the ads of "Free Kittens".Does that mean that those kittens dont deserve homes?not at all one thing that needs to be put on the table is these kittens are not to blame on why they came into this world and there is one left the other passed away last night i took him into the vets his foot was swollen and purple from Cally biting the kitten and he passed on the table i do not have a dont care attitude at all.If i didnt care id just leave the kitten to die,also the kitten did not latch on he was having problems so i went into the vets got the suplement to feed it i was the one that got no sleep trying to get this kitten back to have strength to survive but no one sees that yes i know she should have been fixed i realize that but there has been hardly any support now if you were on my end you would feel the same way,and i know you's would.It hurts what hurts the most is being told its all my fault,its my fault she chewed a hole in the screen and got out

.What has botherd me the most some people want shelter pets some dont and you and i cannot help that,but it does not mean that the kitten who is surving does not deserve a home and too be loved id have every single animal in a shelter if i could,Some of you forget i fosterd dogs for a couple years until my health got into the way of things,I do care and i do not to be put out as heartless i'm far from that!

**BC_MoM** · 04-25-2006, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by caseysmom

BCmom I don't think that is the issue, those homes could place some kittens doomed for death in the shelters.

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

I'm sure Lori will appropriately place the kittens.

Reread that again. I didn't say she's going to give them to the first home that asks for a kitten just like that..

**My Peanuts** · 04-25-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by BC_MoM

I know in some cases it is best to underestimate the best of people, especially in situations like these.

But what's wrong with having faith every one in a while that people will do the right thing?

I'm sure Lori will appropriately place the kittens. How about having faith in a fellow PTer?

I do have faith that she will place them. That part isn't the problem. The problem is bringing more animals into an already crowded world.

I am not against breeders. Good reputable breeders, that is, that breed ONLY to better the breed that they love.

BTW, Harley is most likely a purebred JRT and he came from a shelter.

**Flatcoatluver** · 04-25-2006, 06:36 PM

In another forum I belong to somebody told be that 1 out of 4 dogs in a shelter are purebred. I just love all of the opps purebred litters we get every year too!!!

**Vela** · 04-25-2006, 06:39 PM

UGH I didn't want to post but Glacier and Delta were compeltely different and that didn't cause more unnecessary animals brought into the world so comparing the two is totally different and I see no reason to have brought that up at all. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. She has stated she doesn't want advice and knowledge, since she's been breeding longer than most of us have been alive...some people don't want advice or information if it doesn't go along with what they want to hear.

**Riptide** · 04-25-2006, 06:40 PM

Did you not read my reply? I was relating them only to the fact that Delta got out by accident, and PT supported them. I was not trying to be rude in any way, and I certainly wasnt saying that they brought "unwanted" animals into the world

And the reason Lori doesnt want to hear it is that so many people have just started attacking her for something that is out of her control right now.