Ideas to convince someone not to breed

**JenBKR** · 04-14-2006, 07:36 AM

Oh that's a great idea, taking her to the kill shelter. I'll try to arrange that soon. I don't know if they are planning to check the other dog's medical history, and I can sure bet that they won't do all of the tests on their own dog that should be done before breeding. It bothers me a lot that they want to do this. They've been talking about it a lot lately. They already are discussing what they are going to do with the money

They told me last year, before I got Roscoe, not to get a dog so I could buy one of their puppies. We kind of got into it then, and I said that I would not buy from a BYB. ARG! Thanks for the ideas guys!

**Alysser** · 04-14-2006, 07:44 AM

Aw, this is so sad. As said before taking them to the kill shelter is a good idea. Tell them "this is the likleist pla\ce your pups will end up." Also, show them those websites. It just may help. Good Luck!

**luvofallhorses** · 04-14-2006, 05:55 PM

also show them this.. http://www.justonelitter.com good luck!

**bckrazy** · 04-14-2006, 06:29 PM

I really agree with Giselle... like always! ^^

And, honestly I had to

at the "why shouldn't they breed?" comment. LOL! why should they, is a better question. I don't have the time to name the reasons why people should not breed their family pets... there is a huge overpopulation of Huskies and GSD's in this country, they are in no way easy breeds, both need a ton of health tests as they're very prone to hip/elbow/eye problems and both can easily have aggression issues if placed in the wrong home.

**Lori Jordan** · 04-15-2006, 08:08 AM

First post was about her not wanting them too breed,and as a breeder i had just asked why..There is nothing wrong with that,and as too money more comes out of your pocket then comes in they should both be aware of that it is there responsibility to get them vet checked,shots and treated if they have any infections...It dont happen all the time but there is a good chance...A friend of mine had a manger like setting for her BC and the pups had eye infections it aint the buyers duty to get them treated.I hope she has changed her mind!

**buttercup132** · 04-15-2006, 08:29 AM

I definatly not for the breeding BUT if they did get all the medical and stuff checked and there dog turned out to be GOOD breed standard then they would make more money if the puppies turned out good rather then just pickign up a dog off the street....
But there are already TONS of Huskies in shelters there one dog that shouldnt be bred until most are from the shelters. And guys like Lori said this is how to convince Jen's people not to breed not to bash her pm her if you have something private to say. Irescue that thing you opsted was great.
Heres something I have

10) You like the idea of having a house overrun by dogs you were unable to sell.

9) You'd rather spend all your money on dog bills than buy that new faux fur coat/build the new house addition/get that new car/buy a boat, etc.

8) You get to spend all your spare time at the vet's office.

7) Making enemies with the neighbors is a big priority on your list of things to do.

6) You never wanted a yard with grass anyway--mud is so much more stylish.

5) Staying up all night bottle-feeding sick/orphaned/bitch-rejected puppies is your idea of a good time.

4) You savor the idea of having to explain to the kids why Fifi didn't come home after that one-way trip to the veterinarian during labor complications.

3) It will be fun watching the kids' expressions when you tell them that all the puppies they were so enthusiastically looking forward to having, died.

2) Chewed-up furniture, peed-on rugs, and fur everywhere is THE new "look" in home fashion.

And the number one reason to breed your dog is......

1) Adding to the huge number of genetically inferior/homeless/euthanized dogs is something you've always wanted to do.

**Leslie & Chessies** · 04-15-2006, 09:26 AM

Found this article on another forum.

The Backyard Breeders' and Puppy Millers' Big Book of Old Excuses

Written by Denna Pace.

1. When called on bad breeding practices, ALWAYS claim that you are merely an innocent posting as a favor to a friend or family member.

2. Point out that everybody you know breeds this way, therefore it must be okay.

3. Claim that "snobby show breeders" are only criticizing you because they want to corner the market on puppy profit.

4. Claim that a Champion in the pedigree is just as good as 56 Champions in the pedigree. Not that it matters, because you doubt that there is such a thing as a dog with 56 champions in the pedigree.

5. Claim that you are just trying to produce good pets, therefore good pets are all you need for breeding.

6. When asked about health testing, enthusiastically point out that your bitch had a health checkup before breeding.

7. Be sure to mention that you do not need to run such health tests as OFA, CERF, thyroid, cardiac, patellae, etc., because your dogs look healthy and had no visible problems at their last vet checkup.

8. Point out that these tests cost too much and would cut into your profit margin. Be sure to champion the right of poor people to breed dogs.

9. Confidently assure worried rescuers that no puppy you produce, or any of their puppies or grand puppies or great-grandpuppies will end up in shelters because you have a bunch of friends who have told you that they'd like a pup from your bitch.

10. Point out that you don't need Championships or working titles on your dogs because you are breeding for temperament and your dog is really sweet.

11. Silence those annoying people who ask about your health guarantee by assuring them that buyers can return any sick puppies and you will replace it with another pup as long as it got sick within a certain amount of time of sale and as long as you don't think the buyer did something to make the puppy sick.

12. If your breed or line is rare (or you have a "rare" color, or believe your breed or color is rare), be sure to remind everyone that you do not need to show, temperament test, or health test your breeding stock because you are doing the world a service by continuing this "rare" breed/color/line.

13. No matter what anyone else says, claim that you obviously know what you are doing because you've been breeding for a long time. Point to the hundreds of puppies you've pumped out over the years as proof.

14. If this is your first attempt at breeding, make sure to remind everyone that you HAVE to breed your dog because how else are you going to learn how to breed?

15. Assure everyone that your dog does not need to be shown because you were assured by someone at Petsmart/the park/the vet's office/a friend that your dog is a perfect example of the breed.

16. Always remember that "rare" colors, oversized or undersized dogs, and mixes of popular breeds are great selling points. Anyone who doesn't think so is obviously not in tune with their customers' wishes.

17. Claim that your dogs are better because they are not inbred, as inbreeding obviously produces sick/stupid/deformed dogs. If breeding poo [as in "Cock-a-Poo," "Peek-a-Poo," etc.] dogs or other mutts, always point to "hybrid vigor" as proof of your dogs' superiority.

18. Remind everyone that you do not need a waiting list because your puppies are cute.

19. Assure everyone that your puppies will not end up in shelters because they are cute.

20. Claim that YOUR breed never ends up in shelters in your area, therefore your puppies will never end up in shelters.

21. If asked why you think your dogs are breeding quality, point out that they "have papers." Extra points awarded for using the phrase "AKC Certified." Double points if those papers come from the Continental Kennel Club.

22. If you sell a sick puppy, always blame the owners for making it sick. If the owners are clearly not responsible, blame their vet. (see #11)

23. If presented with irrefutable evidence proving you wrong on any excuses you have used, pretend your server did not receive the post/e-mail.

24. Claim that none of the rules of ethical breeding apply to you because you only intend to have one litter and therefore aren't a "real" breeder.

25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to "get a life."

Written by Denna Pace . It was compiled by reading the horrible BYB ads on rec.pets.dogs.breed. Please credit when quoting.

**wolf_Q** · 04-15-2006, 09:35 AM

I think a lot of people see siberian huskies and such beautiful dogs they think they need to be bred. I've had many people stop me and ask if I breed Nebo, and they could get a puppy, etc. and acting like I'm an idiot for neutering him. What they don't realize is that siberian huskies can be very hard dogs to handle and they are not for inexperienced dog owners. This leads to tons of siberian huskies in shelters/rescues. I've seen *many* beautiful purebred huskies that look very similar to Nebo in rescues. I think sometimes people think oh if the dog is gorgeous and purebred it won't end up like that. WRONG. I think you should show her some siberian husky rescue websites to show just how many dogs just like hers are needing homes.

**dab_20** · 04-15-2006, 09:47 AM

I think everyone has given GREAT info about this subject, and I really hope they decide not to breed. But if they do, best of luck to the mother and her pups.