To crop or not to crop?

[CagneyDog]

Here's another informative link: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking[/url]

Wikipedia isn't a reputable site. Lots of information on there is completely false.

[K9soul]

Umm I read the article and found it to be objective and no false information, with plenty of facts you can find on many other websites about docking and cropping. I felt it summarized it nice and simply without going into rabid arguments for or against it. Maybe you could point out what in that article was incorrect or false information. If you feel it's the part about where docking originated as a means to prevent rabies, that is easily proved or disproved by looking around more. Here are some more sites that give that bit of info.

http://www.schnauzerclub.co.uk/docking.shtml

http://www.pethealth.com.au/index.cf...wysiwyg_id=159

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/pro.../LA20040406004

http://www.animallaw.info/articles/d...ingdocking.htm

to name just a few.

I never said "use wikipedia to research any questions." I said that particular article was informative on docking/cropping and why it was started, and what countries are banning it etc. I swear people just look for things to nitpick on here sometimes and it makes me hesitant to even post lately.

[CagneyDog]

Umm I read the article and found it to be objective and no false information, with plenty of facts you can find on many other websites about docking and cropping. I felt it summarized it nice and simply without going into rabid arguments for or against it. Maybe you could point out what in that article was incorrect or false information. If you feel it's the part about where docking originated as a means to prevent rabies, that is easily proved or disproved by looking around more. Here are some more sites that give that bit of info.

http://www.schnauzerclub.co.uk/docking.shtml

http://www.pethealth.com.au/index.cf...wysiwyg_id=159

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/pro.../LA20040406004

http://www.animallaw.info/articles/d...ingdocking.htm

to name just a few.

I never said "use wikipedia to research any questions." I said that particular article was informative on docking/cropping and why it was started, and what countries are banning it etc. I swear people just look for things to nitpick on here sometimes and it makes me hesitant to even post lately.

No need to get hasty. I didn't even read the info, I just wanted to warn people that it may not be correct. In no way, k9soul, was this some personal attack on you. No need to question posting on Pet talk because of this! You are a highly valued member!
All I know is that Wikepedia is banned from using in almost every school around here because of the incorrect info. Every bit of information I have seen from that site has been incorrect or twisted in some sort of way. Maybe this is different though!

I swear people just look for things to nitpick on here sometimes and it makes me hesitant to even post lately.

I also think that a big problem is that people blow friendly statements out of proportion!

[animal_rescue]

I adore the doberman breed and think they look gorgeous cropped and docked. I have seen dobie ears gone wrong and I hate the people that do it to them but I don't think it's bad when I vet that knows what their doing does it, especially for show reasons. I love Maggie with all of my heart and soul and if anyone thinks I'm a horrible pet owner because she was cropped and docked, well honestly I don't care. She's my baby.

edit: also to add that if a puppy is to old to be cropped and docked then I don't think it's right to do it, also I think their cute with out being cropped and/or docked.

[Vela]

My Ginger was already cropped when I got her, she was a rescued dog, but I don't think she looks funny or like a bat, I think she is beautiful just as she is. I had the choice with Cracker not to crop his ears and I chose not to. I don't see a need to do it but I am not going to condemn those who do it for showing purposes here in the states. That is the only way to get conformationally correct dogs or proper breeding, by showing. Until they make it against the law here I am not going to bash someone for doing it for that reason. I see no need to do it just because, though, and don't see myself ever cropping any of my dogs if given the choice. Their tails were done at three days old and I had no say in that but I don't mind that they have short tails, they don't have the chance of injuring it since it's already done. Had they come to me with long tails, they would still have long tails.

[K9soul]

No need to get hasty. I didn't even read the info, I just wanted to warn people that it may not be correct.

You're right, I did overreact although some of my reaction had to do with other incidents that have happened and I PMed you regarding that. I should have just brushed it off, or responded more calmly .

I do still feel that unless you found something in the article that seemed questionable there was no need to warn people that it might be false. I do try to be careful and read through anything myself before using it as a reference. I used that article as a reference because I felt it was the most "informational" summary I could find at the time that was not a pro or anti cropping/docking site.

Hopefully we understand each other on this now and sorry for the rather strong outburst on my part .

[cyber-sibes]

I like both, it's really up to the owner/breeder IMO. I don't think I'd have the heart to put any dog I personally owned through it, though. I don't know about other breeds, but show dog huskies also have their dew claws removed, but I'll bet it isn't as painful as cropping/docking.

[tessa_s212]

Cropping-No

Docking-I am fine with.

(...ever seen eurpeon cockers with tails? )

[IRescue452]

We have cockers here with tails, they are so cute. I am against docking. It depresses me to see Autumn without a tail and think about how it got chopped off.

[Misty_Pearl]

I normally like the look of natural ears with one exception, I like the doberman with cropped ears. If the pet is given a pain medicine after the surgery is done as it is supposed to be given, there isn't enough pain for the pet to notice. I wouldn't crop an older dogs ears. If a vet is good at what he does, I don't look at it as being the worst thing an owner could decide to do. It is TOTALLY different from declawing. You don't walk on your ears...

Another reason I love french bulldogs so much is that they are born with the breed standard look. Their ears stand up naturally and they are born with a very small tail - not much there.

[dab_20]

Cropping-No

Docking-I am fine with.

(...ever seen eurpeon cockers with tails? )

I agree! Cocker's look very awkward with tails, they are really long.

[k9krazee]

Really don't agree with cropping, especially since it has virtually no function anymore.