Shock collars

[JenBKR]

OK, just one more thing.....I personally would not put a collar and leash on a two year old either, so should we not even use those?

[flip195]

OK, just one more thing.....I personally would not put a collar and leash on a two year old either, so should we not even use those?

So is he toy driven rather than food driven ?


no , but i personally have never strapped a dog into a buggy either
and folks have been know to use harnesses and wrist straps on kids soooooo lol

[JenBKR]

So is he toy driven rather than food driven ?


no , but i personally have never strapped a dog into a buggy either
and folks have been know to use harnesses and wrist straps on kids soooooo lol

I have no idea what you mean by toy driven rather than food driven

And sorry, but your strapping a dog into a buggy analogy only furthers my point that you should not compare a two-year-old to a dog

And yes, people do use harnesses and straps on children, but I have yet to see one used around a child's neck

EDIT: As I said before, please direct all other comments to me via PM, as we have done enough hijacking of this thread. I apologize to the poster who began this thread, I promise not to post here again unless it is about shock collars! I just get so upset when people refuse to believe that their way may not be right for everyone.

[Dixieland Dancer]

I have no idea what you mean by toy driven rather than food driven

I just get so upset when people refuse to believe that their way may not be right for everyone.

Just to clarify for anyone else who may be confused about what toy driven means.... Instead of working for food as an incentive to do what you want it to do, you use a favorite toy that is irresitable to the dog. Not all dogs have a favorite toy that they would rather have than food.

My Dusty loves frisbee so I use that as his reward when he does what I ask him. I use his frisbee as reward for shaping wanted behaviors and for reinforcing behaviors he already knows. Before I go into a show ring (obedience) I pump him up with his frisbee and always have it waiting close by for when we exit the ring! Works better for him than food! My Dixie on the other hand will do anything for food and could care less about a toy! I hate to see a dog that acts like obedience training is the worst thing in the world. It shows me the owner doesn't know their dog well enough to figure out how to make obedience training fun!

[JenBKR]

Ok, thank you for clarifying that for me Roscoe likes his toys, but I'm not so sure that would work either. We are about to go to intermediate training with him, to work on distractions. I should mention that the treats seem to work when we are inside at training class, but when we are outside he has no interest (especially on walks).

[Dixieland Dancer]

I should mention that the treats seem to work when we are inside at training class, but when we are outside he has no interest (especially on walks).

This indicates to me that he is NOT ready to move on. Treats should be gradually faded after the dog understands what you are asking it to do so that it will gladly do what is asked even if there is no treat involved. Until the dog can do what you ask at least every two or three times without a treat, it is not ready to advance. Moving outside where there are more distractions only makes it worse.

As a trainer, the number one frustration that I have with owners is moving on without the dog fully understanding what you are asking it to do. It is repetition, repetition and more repetition which most handlers find boring so they force the dog forward when they really should be starting over with fundamentals. Don't be in a hurry to advance. Make sure you have a solid basic foundation before building anything more complex into the mix. You will be glad in the long run that you did!

[JenBKR]

This indicates to me that he is NOT ready to move on. Treats should be gradually faded after the dog understands what you are asking it to do so that it will gladly do what is asked even if there is no treat involved. Until the dog can do what you ask at least every two or three times without a treat, it is not ready to advance. Moving outside where there are more distractions only makes it worse.

As a trainer, the number one frustration that I have with owners is moving on without the dog fully understanding what you are asking it to do. It is repetition, repetition and more repetition which most handlers find boring so they force the dog forward when they really should be starting over with fundamentals. Don't be in a hurry to advance. Make sure you have a solid basic foundation before building anything more complex into the mix. You will be glad in the long run that you did!

He is getting pretty weaned off of the treats during lots of basic commands. Actually, him and one other dog in his basic class were the only ones approved to move to the intermediate class. We had planned to take him for the spring class, but I think we are going to have to wait for either the summer or fall class anyway because of my volunteer schedule conflicts.