I Need Your Help!!!

[Lori Jordan]

That too but is she still going outside how many times has she wet the bed?

[4theloveofzoe]

Yeah, she goes potty outside all the time.

She's peed on my bed twice this week.

[Lori Jordan]

i think it is just a "you giving me crap" ill get you back thing"

[4theloveofzoe]

So... How do I stop it?

[Lori Jordan]

well there are lots of ways for the floor when they have picked a spot ,for your bed im not sure,keep your door shut but there is nothing you could put on your bed....mine only did it twice i scolded them and took them outside and that fixed my problem maybe try doing the same with her.

[Rachel]

Like Lori Jordan I used the severe scolding, and immediately took the dog outside. The peeing on the bed episodes in my house happened with two different dogs. One was an excellent dog who was house broken in days as a puppy, and the other was well....Hannah....who was very difficult to house train (it literally took 2 years).

In both cases a severe scolding was all it took. It did not become a regular occurance, athough if I remember correctly, Hannah did it on two occasions.

[mruffruff]

You might want to cover your bed with a plastic shower curtain liner when you aren't in it. The plastic isn't comfortable for dogs to get on and it will protect your bed if she does get on it. And use either Nature's Miracle or Simple Solution on any place she wet.

If you catch her, get her down with a gruff scolding. Five minutes later she won't remember what she did.

[K9soul]

i think it is just a "you giving me crap" ill get you back thing"

I strongly disagree. I do not believe dogs think this way. That is putting human thoughts into a dog's head. It's more likely an insecurity behavior for some reason, but it's hard to really pinpoint it without being there and watching her. I do NOT believe dogs take "revenge" this way. If she is getting scolded a lot, she could be frightened and insecure. I would not use a gruff scolding personally. I would use positive training. I'd keep a treat pouch and call and treat her lots, and if you catch her on the bed, rather than scold or punish, call her and treat/praise her each time. A vet check isn't a bad idea either.

I also feel like if she's being given a lot of opportunity to go where she isn't supposed to and no one is around to redirect her, it's going to be pretty hard to teach her that she is not allowed in the room in this situation.

You say she sits down and urinates. Does that mean you have witnessed it each time? Perhaps she is getting caught on the bed, sees you, is afraid of being punished/scolded, and submissive urinates? My boy Tommy used to have a real issue with submissive urination. If this is the case scolding and yelling could make it even worse.

Like I said though, it is hard to understand without not really being there and witnessing her behaviors. Whatever you do though, please do not interpret it as a defiant/intentional behavior.

[luvofallhorses]

well said, K9Soul.. I would take her to the vet to see if there's anything wrong with her.

[Lori Jordan]

You telling me your dog has never been distructive?

[Lori Jordan]

My dogs do things like that all the time if we leave them home alone they will pull papers off the computer desk and rip them up or,Get into the garbage,and the thing of instead of scolding i do not mean hit them byt a stern "That's Bad" by giving them treats only makes them think they have done something right when really they havent.When i took my guys to Obedience i switched to a different one,because she was all about treats,training them fine but when they have already learned what to do or how to do it,they should do on command and not do it jus for a treat.Just like my Border Collie she is in trials and i cannot be out in the field with her giving her treats all through her steps.It just dont work that way.
Dont get me wrong my guys always have treats,bones toys,all the time but im i guess different with my dogs then you are yours that is why it is good hearing different ways and techniques because we all do things differently .When your dogs pees on the bed ,you know what she listens too and reacts to different tones of your voice you will just have to see what works for her best.

[Vela]

I also agree with K9soul. Dog's just don't do things that way. We put human emotions such as anger and resentment on them that they just don't possess. You need to think like a dog with siutations like this. YOu can either move the toys and keep your bedroom door shut, or like someone else mentioned, for now keep a piece of noisy plastic or a shower curtain on the bed so that if she jumps up she won't like the sound, and if she does jump up and pee, then your bed is protected. You would be better off trying to keep the door closed though. I agree also that if you are seeing her do this there is a good possibility she is scared when she sees you and she is on the bed and pees out of fear at the time.

Being destructive doesn't mean they are trying to "get you back". They aren't like people. Most likely a dog who has done something destructive either likes playing with or chewing on whatever they destroyed, or was very bored. My guess is the dog is confused and peed on the bed out of submissive/fear urination. Dog's don't have "revenge" thoughts in that way.

[dab_20]

I strongly disagree. I do not believe dogs think this way. That is putting human thoughts into a dog's head. It's more likely an insecurity behavior for some reason, but it's hard to really pinpoint it without being there and watching her. I do NOT believe dogs take "revenge" this way.

I agree. Dogs simply do not think the way we do, and they don't think about 'getting back' at you.

I would recommend seeing a vet, also. Good luck!

[4theloveofzoe]

Well, I took her in to see her vet yesterday.

She can't find anything physically wrong with her.

She thinks that it's a jealousy issue also. I'm moving upstairs into my daughters bedroom, and then she'll be moving downstairs. So we'll see if that ends her bad behavior.

[bckrazy]

Jessica, you gave AWESOME advice thanks for that! I really agree with everything you had to say, and you definitely put a lot of time into helping Lori out.

Lori Jordan, I must admit I'm confused by what you've said... personally, I go to positive reinforcement training ONLY. My BC had a bit of a destructive streak when he was younger, and even though it's tempting, scolding them for that is almost always useless and just alienates your pup. He would tear up whatever when he was left alone, and we discovered that was because he was understimulated and had slight seperation anxiety. Now, we always exercise him thoroughly before leaving, give him stimulating toys (like stuffed Kongs and Buster Cubes) to work on, and we worked through the SA. If I scold my BC for anything he completely shuts down, so for me I use nothing but rewards, basically. I used to have a trainer, when he was young, who recommended prong collars and fine choke chains to use on him during Flyball training... and all he would end up doing is jerking so hard on the choker that he yelped loudly in pain. NOW, he will be wearing a harness and off-leash, and he'll be focused on me while dogs race right behind him, and that isn't due to negative reinforcement or yelling, it's due to teaching him "watch" - with or without a treat or toy lure. I really don't want my dogs to listen to me and focus on me based on fear of what might happen if he disobeys, our bond has gotten SO much closer since he instead is focused on the praise and fun he gets when he does what I want from him.

Border Collies, especially, tend to really thrive off of pleasing their owner, so once you do show them what IS right and you take care of THEIR needs, they are very happy well-adjusted dogs. Gonzo has full run of the house when we're gone, and a few times my Mom has forgotten to take out the garbage and left it sitting in the kitchen. It's always untouched when we get back because he knows what is GOOD to do when he's alone. I guess everyone finds what works for them, but I honestly never use treats during Flyball, only praise and tug rewards when he does good. And he is so much more focused and obedient than the owners who scream/scold at their dogs and use chokers/haltis/etc to control them.