Religious question for Popcornbird

[smokey the elder]

That's a bummer that your post got logged out. You are the best spokesperson for Islam that I've ever encountered. If people knew you they would realize what your faith is REALLY all about. Too bad they don't let women be imams.

[popcornbird]

Too bad they don't let women be imams.

Still didn't get a chance to sit down and type all over again, but quickly, I did want to respond to this. No way would I want to be an imam. LOL! That's like a woman pope of a woman priest. It just doesn't happen. Though men and women are equal before God, that doesn't mean they don't have different roles in society, in certain issues. This is one of them. Though there are women scholars, knowledgable women that people ask religious questions from, an imam is just different. That's a man's role, and as there have never been women popes or priests, there won't be women imams either. I don't get why its looked down upon in Islam, but in Christianity, if men take care of a particular 'role', its okay. Some roles are for men and its WEIRD for women to take that role, and some roles are for women and its WEIRD for a man to take that role. Imagine a woman growing a beard, or a man giving birth to a child. There ARE women who have hormonal issues and can grow a beard, but if she let's it grow, everyone would think she's awfully strange...because, that's just a man thing. Weird comparison, I know, but I'd rather leave some things to the men and keep some things to the women with the men out of it.

[caseysmom]

Oh PCB I don't think saying that we wish you could become an Iman is saying Islam is chauvinistic. I wish the pope could be a women, heck I think if women lead nations there would be a lot more peace on earth.

[Karen]

Oh PCB I don't think saying that we wish you could become an Iman is saying Islam is chauvinistic. I wish the pope could be a women, heck I think if women lead nations there would be a lot more peace on earth.

I wish that were true, but I lived for a year in an all-women dorm in college, and I can tell you that women can be meaner, nastier, and more back-biting and vicious in nature than any guys I have met. Not the women of Pet Talk, of course ...

Perhaps we wish Popcornbird could be a world-recognized leader as a teacher of peace.

[caseysmom]

Oh Karen, you reminded me of all the drama with my teenage daughter...oh maybe never mind

[Catty1]

Centuries ago...Jews being tortured to death for refusing to convert to Christianity...the Crusades that did much the same, spreading Christianity through Europe...and yes, some Muslim and other religious laws that demand death as punishment...

It just seems to me that a few radicals will twist religious words to justify their own ends.

And it seems pointless, to me, to single out a religion that is doing such things right now as "unique".

The human race is like a box of chocolates - there are a few nuts in there, and it's hard to tell where they are!

(Sorry Forrest)

Catty1

[Lady's Human]

I seriously doubt there would be more peace on earth if there were all female leaders.

For example:

Elizabeth of Russia
Catherine I
Catherine the Great
Queen Elizabeth I
Golde Meir
Queen Victoria

[Pam]

Pam,

I saw this thread and replied then I saw yours...it had nothing to do with your politically correctness....

No problem Caseysmom. My question is whether or not this is Islam doctrine. If it is a few nut cases that's one thing, because every religion has a few of those. If this is part of their doctrine that is something else.

[smokey the elder]

PCB, I respect your philosophy about defined roles for men and women, but I must respectfully disagree. (Maybe this is why I'm Pagan and not Christian or Muslim.) "Imam" was intended as a symbol for a highly respected individual of the community. On the radio show 51 Percent they had a bunch of women Islamic scholars on that had some very interesting things about theology from a women's point of view.

[KYS]

CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

[Pam]

CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

Well if this is correct, and I believe it probably is, we have our answer in these quotes....

"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001.

And this cleric is considered a moderate? He won't allow God to be humilated? Can God not take care of himself? It seems to me God has been doing that since way before this man, or anyone for that matter, ever was born. This is a message of hate devised in the heart of man. Nothing could be further from the heart of God than the shedding of innocent blood.

"We are a small country and we welcome the help the outside world is giving us. But please don't interfere in this issue," Nasri said. "We are Muslims and these are our beliefs. This is much more important to us than all the aid the world has given us."

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Sharia law, which is interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects Islam be sentenced to death.

[Lady's Human]

While parts of the Afghan constitution are based in Sharia,it also acknowledges the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights. Part of the UN declaration is freedom of religion, so in following sharia law as strictly as they are, they are violation thier constitution. (Unfortunately, most of their judges are muslim Imams)

[lizbud]

Chris, thanks for the CNN link.I think this quote from the article speaks
volumes about this country & their so-called democracy.


"But Said Mirhossain Nasri, the top cleric at Hossainia Mosque, one of the largest Shiite places of worship in Kabul, said Rahman must not be allowed to leave the country.

"If he is allowed to live in the West, then others will claim to be Christian so they can, too," he said. "We must set an example. ... He must be hanged."

[Cincy'sMom]

That's a man's role, and as there have never been women popes or priests,

Not to change the topic of the thread, but just a point of history that is debated. Was there a female Pope?

Pope Joan?

[beeniesmom]

Not to change the topic of the thread, but just a point of history that is debated. Was there a female Pope?

Pope Joan?

NO< there has never been a female Pope and thier never should be according to the Catholic religion. I agree w/pcb: certain roles are for men and others are for women.