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    LOL, just because this topic intrigues me so much.

    The big one : What kind of questions should I ask my breeder?

    - First and foremost, WHY do you breed?
    The correct answer will always run along the lines of: a deep passion for the breed and the duty to further/better the breed.

    - What kind of health tests do you perform?
    An annual vet check does not mean anything.

    - What kind of events do you do with your dogs?
    The above relates to... How do you "prove" your dogs? How do you choose which dogs to breed and which ones to pet out?

    - Do you provide a lifetime guarantee? If my dog should develop a congenital or hereditary defect, what will you do?

    - If for any reason in my dog's lifetime I must relinquish the dog, will you take it back?

    - May I see the parents?
    Oftentimes, the stud dog is not on site. This is normal, but you should be able to see the mother. She should be happy and well fed.

    - May I have references to past families?

    - May I have references to your vet?

    -To be continued...LOL. My brain is mush right now

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    Karen,

    We CANNOT forget dogorphans, after all, two of your canine family members came from there!

    http://www.dogorphans.com/index.cfm

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    Remember, we want to let people know how you found out about your local shelters - like, Lady's Human, how did you first find Dog Orphans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen

    We want to let people know how you found out about your local shelters ...
    Hmmmmm ...

    Not sure, or wonder why, the method of "finding" (or how you contacted)
    your local Shelter or Rescue is important??

    Over the years I've had to jump through some pretty tall "hoops" to be able
    to talk to some Shelters and Rescues - some local and some pretty distant.
    In a few cases I was looking for a pet;
    in others I was trying to find a home or a place of refuge for a homeless animal ...
    in all cases it usually wasn't a matter of looking in the phone book ...


    The real challenges are:
    1) Learn the name and the existance of a particular rescue ...
    there are usually several Shelters or Rescues operating in even the small towns -
    that most residents have never even heard of - let alone know how to contact.
    Some places seem to "like" not being known or being "findable" by the average person -
    ya gotta "know someone" to be able to talk to them. (I always wondered "Why?")

    2) Learn a phone number that some human will either answer or return a call from ...
    I can't tell you how many UN-answered calls I've placed to Rescues / Shelters.

    Keeping the Names & Phone Numbers lists "correct & current" can be an almost
    impossible task - many of these agencies "switch" personnel frequently -
    sometimes by choice; sometimes by need - but phone numbers never seem
    to stay current very long.

    But my point - the "method" or the "tail" of how they were contacted isn't as important
    as the actual Point of Contact - that can be duplicated by others.

    Fees / Costs / Prices ???
    They're all over the map - anywhere from "free / no charge" to HUNDREDS of dollars -
    and you get anything from a filthy, un-vetted and poorly observed unknown animal,
    to a fully Vetted & Vaccinated, clean, trimmed, and sometimes partially trained,
    housebroken, and socialized "pet" ... and what you pay doesn't always reflect
    what you get!
    Breed-specific "Rescues" frequently charge high fees ...
    County-run "Pounds" often charge low fees yet furnish quality animals.

    Example:
    My Cinder was "advertised" to me by Cinder's "Angel Moms" = two Volunteers
    in the Shelter/Pound that took pictures and published a web site for the Pound
    and answered inquiries faithfully.
    I "adopted" Cinder for a County Fee of $60.00 + a $4.25 WV License Fee ...
    and they Refunded $51.00 as a partial payment sent directly to MY Vet
    upon certification that she had been spayed.
    Net "Cost" for Cinder = $9.00 + $4.25 = $13.25 paid to Ohio County, West Virginia.
    (And about another $50.00 or so to Doc Mike for the rest of the spay job and some shots.)
    This was all back on July 3, 1999.

    Smokey was almost as "cheap" ...
    Cinder "found" him on the front porch on Sunday night, January 21, 2001;
    Tuesday night he was delivered to "Angels for Animals" as a "Sponsored Foster Dog" -
    I paid $90.00 for his heartworm test (negative), Neuter, Rabies & Puppy Shots,
    Ear Wash & Nail Trim, and 6 months of heartworm preventative.
    I had to "Foster him" in MY home till they had room to move him into a kennel
    for display
    as an adoption candidate. When he got adopted - I would get my $90.00 back.

    Six Days after Cinder "found" him, Smokey had a name and his status had been
    changed from "Foster" to "Adopted".

    The bottom line ?

    Very few Shelters or Rescues have the same policies - and often the sometimes
    fuzzy "policy" can be modified by Who you Know in the organization.
    I've played my "I Know the Founder (personally)" card three times at
    Angels for Animals -
    and Diane has pulled the proper "string" for me each time.
    I've NEVER asked for a price or fee reduction; but she has changed the shelter Manager's
    "we have NO rooms" to "I'll find a place for him, somewhere, bring him over".

    (Abd I DO "own" a $100 Engraved Brick in her patio between the wings of the New Shelter.)


    /s/ Phred
    /s/ Cinder, Smokey & Heidi

    R.I.P. ~ Boots, Bowser, Sherman, & Snoopy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen
    Remember, we want to let people know how you found out about your local shelters
    I found Tibby on Petfinder, but not by searching. I posted an add in their pets wanted classified section. I stated that I was looking for a siamese or siamese mix kitten. The next day I had an email from a wonderful lady who fostered cats in her home. I went over to go meet the cats for adoption and met Tibby who she had emailed me about. Her adoption fee was $95 and it included her shots, spay, one free vet visit at the clinic of my choice and one month of shelter care insurance. I have to say it was a bargain! She did require a home visit, but it wasn't anything too intense she just wanted to make sure that my home was ready for Tibby. Overall it was a great experience and if it wasn't for that add I posted I would have never found out about her rescue.

    Another great way to find a rescue is to just keep your ears open for events happening around your town. Once a year Tucson puts on a pet fair, in addition to all the great vendor booths there are always rescues for just about any pet you could want. This year not only did I see cats and dogs up for adoption I also saw ferrets, rats, guinea pigs, donkeys, pot bellied pigs and many other wonderful pets needing home!
    I've been Defrosted!

    Thanks for the great signature Kay!

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    Ooh!! If you wanted to add a little tad of BYB and puppy mill...You can use my Website!
    JALPD
    As for shelters, you can use my shelter
    Tailchasers(WCJCAC)
    If that's the wrong website, oops!
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    Yankee Golden Retriever Rescue
    http://www.ygrr.org
    The Home Page has a list of all breed rescue organizations.
    I don't know about other rescues, but all Goldens from YGRR are treated for any health or behavioral problems before the are ready for adoption regardless of their age. There is a special program for seniors.
    Another very good "no kill" private rescue is Friends of Homeless Animals in Merrifield, VA, for both dogs and cats:
    http://www.foha.org
    Last edited by Albea; 03-14-2006 at 01:43 PM.

    "All men are created equal but none of them is equal to a dog." From the "Howard Huge" cartoon..

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    There is a hole bunch of organizations i know of one which i like and am in contact with now this one would be for the Border Collie lovers i found out about this rescue through one of my dogs trainers as i have her in flyball and a little of agilityhttp://www.bordercollierescueont.com

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    I forgot this link this is pretty much what we are about and what we do at the Ottawa Valley Border Collie club im sure you will all like ithttp://www.ovbcc.com/

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    Good Idea!

    Bella and I think that this is a very good idea! Most of you live in large countries with a zillion breeders, kennels and rescue organizations and it must be a confusing task to identify the good ones! Here, in itty-bitty Denmark there are only a few rescue organizations most of them are commonly known to people who care for animals.

    I am totally in favour of the idea of obtaining one's new pet from a shelter or rescue home! But I would like to contribute another thought - that one should always keep in mind one's own situation (space-, time- & moneywise) when rescuing an animal from a shelter! Otherwise one may inadvertedly turn a less than optimal situation for the animal into something worse... Or in other words: Don't let your good heart talk you into acquiring more pets than you can care for properly....! I don't think good rescue homes ever do that!

    Lots of love,
    Sus and Bella
    Sus

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    Personally, I think the best website for any animal is Petfinder.com

    But here is my contribution:

    Helping Paws - Colchester, CT

    http://www.listnow.com/helpingpaws/

    Catales - Middletown, CT

    http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/CT104.html

    I volunteered with both Catales and Helping Paws. They are wonderful organizations and I highly recommend them both!

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    www.arkofmccurtaincounty.org
    Cat or Dog adoptions. They have some very beautiful animals there. They also have a wish list if you would like to donate anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen
    Remember, we want to let people know how you found out about your local shelters - like, Lady's Human, how did you first find Dog Orphans?
    We found Dog Orphans online. LH did a search on the web for local shelters.
    I believe we paid somewhere around $85 dollars for the adoption. That basicly covered her spay/nuetering. And they were nice enough to cover the first vet visit after we brought her home. They had us fill out a questionaire that included things like "How often will someone be home with the dog?" "How often will she be allowed to go outside?" How many hours a day will the dog be home alone?"

    One thing you should ask the shelter person when looking to adopt is why the animal was brought to the shelter in the first place. Also you'll want to make sure the animal you bring into your home fits in with your current family situation i.e. kids, other pets. You want to make sure that everyone will get along.
    RIP Lady, Thursday's won't be the same without you to cuddle with by the fire


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    I love working with Tri State Collies. I foster collies inbetween transportation legs and those being readied for a home. Sometimes the rescue is full and I will take one in for as long as it takes.

    http://www.tristatecollierescue.net/collies.htm#pups

    If your in ohio I hope and refer anyone to a collie that needs a forever home. Also I recommend looking for a community affair that may be giving a Meet the Breeds area to educate dog owners to be on what breed will fit your family and lifes For all of you in the Findlay, Ohio area I will be at the National Duchsund Races this year in the Meet The Breeds area with my collies. Tell all your friends to come out and meet the different breeds that will be out there. Would love to meet some of you all also.
    Tim ~ Majestic Collies



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    What a great resource, Karen!

    KAK pretty much covered the gamut of the local animal rescues here, but I can definitely vouch for FOSMAS (http://www.fosmas.org/).
    I volunteered there for quite some time, and the people there were wonderful.

    Some other sites that I had perused when trying to find the right dog for my home included:

    Bay Area Siberian Rescue: http://www.bayareasiberian.org/dogsForAdoption.html
    A neighbor of mine adopted his two huskies from this organization.

    Northern California Sled Dog Rescue:
    http://www.norsled.org/

    Central Coast Northern Dog Rescue:
    http://www.ccndr.org/

    German Shepherd Rescue of Northern California:
    http://www.savegsd.org/
    A friend of mine recently adopted his dog from here

    Dogworks Canine Rescue (dobies and greyhounds)
    http://www.dogworks.org/
    The woman that runs this also volunteers for FOSMAS, and lives about 2 miles from my house!

    In terms of finding some of these places, a simple Google search for the type of pet your looking for + state, city name usually yields pretty good results. For example, if someone were to type into Google "german shepherd rescue, bay area", they would likely find several GSD rescue group options.

    A great resource about Puppy Mills is: http://www.nopuppymills.com/
    This site has been redone a couple of times, but I believe all of the same information is still there. Very good resource.

    Adding to the list for "reputable" breeder questions, here are a few more (can you tell I worked in a vet office? *laughs*):
    1. what is the difference between "pet quality" and "show quality"?
    2. do you require that ALL pet quality pets be spayed/neutered? (this answer should be yes)
    3. how many different breeds of dogs do you breed?
    (if it's more than one, this could be a red flag. A reputable breeder shouldn't breed more than one...maybe two (if they're very similar like Tervs and Malinois) different breeds of dogs.
    4. What steps have you taken to decrease defects in your dogs?
    5. What are the good and bad points of the parents, and what titles do they have?
    6. Where were these puppies raised? How have you socialized them?
    (a good answer will be in the home, underfoot, with other animals, kids, cats...etc.)
    7. Do you offer a Health/Hearing/Temperament guarantee with your puppies?
    8. Were there any temperament problems in the ancestry of the puppies? Have the sire and the dam been temperament tested?
    9. How much time do you spend planning your litters and rearing the pups ?
    10. How many litters do you have per year? (this is to see if there is any "overbreeding" going on)
    11. Are the sire and dam OFA Certified? BAER tested? Do you have certificates for me to see ?
    12. What is the incidence of deafness, allergies, infections, thyroid dysfunction, seizures, stone formation, hip dysplasia, etc., in the pedigree?

    Ok...that's all for now.

    **hugs**
    Karen

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