Penny & Greenies

[Almita]

That was uncalled for. There is no point in making me feel like a pile of crap for expressing my beliefs. My post was not meant to make people start to argue, which they always do. I simply typed what I believe. My opinions on topics should never, ever be used to generalize. I never said anyones dog here was unhealthy because they eat kibble. I will feed kibble for gosh sakes. My opinions shouldn't be used to make another opinion or to assume that I think your dogs are sickly.

I said....

"People that feed raw know that their dogs are healthier than ANY dog fed kibble, it shows in their eyes, coat and teeth. They have higher energy and live longer."

Because I do know people who believe this is true. I know people who feed raw and have extremely healthy dogs, much healthier than a dog eating Dog Chow. Now, if we're talking about a super premium dog food, then that IS much healthier than lower grade kibble and IMO is just as good as raw. Innova EVO is a great food, and I would feed it over raw any day.

What I should have said is...

"People that feed raw know that their dogs are healthier than ANY dog fed lower grade kibble, it shows in their eyes, coat and teeth. They have higher energy and live longer.

It was just something to bring humor to the thread....

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

It's not humour when he/she was clearly leaning the post towards me. Making me feel like a bag of crap.

I deleted my posts and would appreciate if others would delete the quotes. I feel this is not my place to post, since everytime I do, it turns into a heated conversation.

[BitsyNaceyDog]

I can't believe this Greenie subject is back again. My dogs love greenies. They don't get them everyday because of the expense, but they do get them. I agree that they are as safe (if not safer) than other chews.

Though this thread isn't about feeding raw, I'll add my opinion on that too. I personally don't believe that just because a wolf chases down, kills, and eats a rabbit that it means pet dogs should be eating raw meat too. Dogs are not savages, they are domesticated pets. (NOTE: I'm not saying a dog who eats raw is a savage, I'm saying wolves are.) I personally am not a fan of feeding raw, it's simply not for me. I'm not going to tell someone who does feed raw that it's wrong, same as I don't need someone telling me that feeding kibble is wrong.

Also for the record, I wouldn't feed Kibbles & Bits, however some dogs do actually do fine on it. My grandma had a lab who lived to be 13, not too bad for a lab. He was a farm dog, he ran in the fields, he drank and played in the creek. He often slept outside at night. He ate kibbles & Bits and table scraps. He was never sick. He started slowing down do to arthritis when he was 12 or 13. My grandma had him put down at 13 because of the arthritis. I'm not saying he wouldn't have done as well or better on a better diet, but it didn't seem to really hurt him at all.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Oh my, this was too wierd not to post here...

Thursday, March 9, 2006

Gemini Horoscope

Your Thursday Horoscope Nattasha!

A communication breakdown is likely. You will have spoken too soon or too confidently about a matter you know little about. To be quoted on the subject later will be potentially embarrassing.

[Kfamr]

Very well said, again, Lady's Human. I'm glad someone else is on the same track as me. I thought I was going crazy.

[bckrazy]

This thread is super old but I wanted to add onto the comments about 14+ year-old dogs being fed low-low-grade food, in my experience...

My cousin is a holistic vet tech, and she always talks to me about what I feed, as does my vet. They see loads of dogs coming in and out, living to over 15 years old and being fed the cheapest food feasible. Does this mean they're healthy? No. Their coat is usually falling out in clumps, they're obese they are slow and lethargic, blind, deaf and are constantly ill. Even if it isn't visible, most have been suffering from crippling arthritis for years. And their owners, steadfastly believing that Iams is the most premium food out there, just pump them full of anti-biotics, shots, and put them through multiple surgeries. And my cousins family has a Quarter Horse Ranch where they also breed Pembroke Welsh Corgis - the "grandpa" of many of their dogs is 13, has always been fed raw with carefully limited supplements and shots, and he runs around herding horses and cattle unless he's forced to come inside! Honestly, I think it's kind of crazy to say that a dog that has been eating grains his whole life is 100% healthy at age 15, because that is just so much crud and waste product running through their system and breaking down their body. Thats IMO.

[Kfamr]

I didn't mean being fed low-quality food made them healthier, it was more-so the fact that CCL (I guess you can't see the whole conversation now as she deleted her posts * gosh I love the forum i'm on where they don't allow that LOL) said that RAW fed dogs lived LONGER lives, when my next-door neighbor's Cocker and Mutt were fed and are fed Kibbles N Bits - the Mutt lived until 16 and was healthy in every state other that she died from cancer...Her every step was as bouncy as it was when she was a pup. The Cocker is now around 12 years, nice coat, perfect weight for his build, etc. Which goes back to the statement to feed whatever works for your dog with your budget in consideration.

Mind you, I'd never ever feed my dogs kibbles n bits or refer them to anyone. No way, no how. My dogs are being fed 2 very nice foods right now, IMO.

[Karen]

The 14+-year-old Great Dane of whom I spoke had a shiny coat and waggy tail until the day she died. Her coat was never dull, nor did it come out in clumps. She did start slipping on the stairs in her last 6 months of life (so my parents carpeted the stairs), but the vet always remarked on how healthy she was until that point.

[Lady's Human]

Does this mean they're healthy? No. Their coat is usually falling out in clumps, they're obese they are slow and lethargic, blind, deaf and are constantly ill. Even if it isn't visible, most have been suffering from crippling arthritis for years. And their owners, steadfastly believing that Iams is the most premium food out there, just pump them full of anti-biotics, shots, and put them through multiple surgeries.

I think this is a minor exaggeration, as most old dogs I have known have been far, far from this description, and have been fed grocery store kibble for their whole lives. If the dog is doing well on the food, and the vet says the animal is healthy, there's no reason to change. (and in some cases the change can do harm)

[dog_pug123]

This is not directed towards the original poster, but it is my opinion in general about the whole Greenies subject.

Greenies, just like EVERY OTHER DOG CHEW, need to be supervised while chewing. They have the same risk that rawhides, nylabones, pig ears, etc, etc have. We need to start taking responsibility for our own actions instead of taking the American way out and suing the big companies.

Greenies' bag also states;
"As with any edible product, monitor your dog to ensure the treat is adequately chewed. Gulping any item can be harmful or even fatal to a dog."

When purchasing, you should read the bag and you would be aware of such instances. YES, Greenies can be harmful! If your dog is an intense chewer or gulper, obviously soft and incredibly tasty treats that will make that urge stronger aren't for them!


Out of the millions of Greenies chewed daily - there are only a few cases.
Out of the millions of rawhides chewed daily - there are only a few cases.
Out of the millions of candies eaten by children - there are only a few cases.
Out of the millions of hot coffees served daily - there are only a few cases.

This goes for the people trying to go after the rope tug-of-war companies because their dogs tore the strings and died from it. DUH.

Common Sense..... something this world seems to be lacking now-a-days.

My dogs get Greenies every now and then as a special treat and you're darn right I'm on the floor watching their every bite - same thing with toys! If you don't have the time to supervise your animals with chews and toys, then you shouldn't give them.

I absoulutly agree with that. Although, too many may hurt them, only one or a couple daily would rarely hurt them.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

This thread is super old but I wanted to add onto the comments about 14+ year-old dogs being fed low-low-grade food, in my experience...

My cousin is a holistic vet tech, and she always talks to me about what I feed, as does my vet. They see loads of dogs coming in and out, living to over 15 years old and being fed the cheapest food feasible. Does this mean they're healthy? No. Their coat is usually falling out in clumps, they're obese they are slow and lethargic, blind, deaf and are constantly ill. Even if it isn't visible, most have been suffering from crippling arthritis for years. And their owners, steadfastly believing that Iams is the most premium food out there, just pump them full of anti-biotics, shots, and put them through multiple surgeries. And my cousins family has a Quarter Horse Ranch where they also breed Pembroke Welsh Corgis - the "grandpa" of many of their dogs is 13, has always been fed raw with carefully limited supplements and shots, and he runs around herding horses and cattle unless he's forced to come inside! Honestly, I think it's kind of crazy to say that a dog that has been eating grains his whole life is 100% healthy at age 15, because that is just so much crud and waste product running through their system and breaking down their body. Thats IMO.

Very well said. I wish I could've explained my post like this. I deleted them because I felt that my opinion caused an argument and this thread was meant for Greenies, not kibble.