Penny & Greenies

**Kfamr** · 03-08-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover

Dogs should be eating what their wolf ancestors ate.

I suppose you eat the same our ancestors did?

FYI, the longest living dogs I've ever met were fed Kibbles & Bits and scraps their whole lives. Not saying that's right, but your statement isn't necessarily true.

And geez, I really wish someone would tell Kiara that, being a kibble fed dog, she is NOT supposed to be so energetic.

**lizbud** · 03-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kfamr

I suppose you eat the same our ancestors did?

I believe we all do eat basically the same as our ancestors did, except
we do cook the meat now.

**My Peanuts** · 03-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kfamr

I suppose you eat the same our ancestors did?

FYI, the longest living dogs I've ever met were fed Kibbles & Bits and scraps their whole lives. Not saying that's right, but your statement isn't necessarily true.

And geez, I really wish someone would tell Kiara that, being a kibble fed dog, she is NOT supposed to be so energetic.

So true. My childhood dog, Barney, was fed not great food until he was older. I believe he was raised on Top Choice. He was born in 1976 when neutering wasn't really big so he wasn't neutered. Both are things I am an advocate for now. Spay/neuter and nutrition. Well Mr. Barney lived to be 18 years old and other than being diabetic (which we controlled with insulin), he was in pretty good shape considering his age.

**binka_nugget** · 03-08-2006, 05:45 PM

I don't mean to start a war but I thought I'd throw this in..

Dogs are carnivores. Not obligate carnivores, but carnivores none-the-less. There's no denying that their teeth were made for tearing through flesh and eating bones.

But with that said, I can see where you (Kay and Diana) are coming from. The raw diet isn't the end all, be all for health problems. Some dogs do well on raw, some don't. Oh well. Just gotta find what's best for your dog.

**dab_20** · 03-08-2006, 05:56 PM

Greenies are just as dangerous as any other dog chew... so why point out just Greenies? Your dog can choke on anything whether it's a toy or chew or even food. And you have to get the right size for your dog... it says right on the back!

**Kfamr** · 03-08-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by binka_nugget

Just gotta find what's best for your dog.

Exactly!

It doesn't mean CCL's or any other person's dog who's going to be fed raw (partially or what have you) is any healthy or better looking than those fed on kibble.

**Kfamr** · 03-08-2006, 06:36 PM

The point of my posts were, your statements aren't necessarily true. You made it seem like dogs coats, eyes, teeth are only nice being fed a raw diet... and you even said..

"People that feed raw know that their dogs are healthier than ANY dog fed kibble, it shows in their eyes, coat and teeth."

So every raw-fed dog there is, is healthier than my dogs, they eat poison biscuits and KIBBLE... That's basically what you're saying, and if not maybe you're wording yourself wrong.

**Lady's Human** · 03-08-2006, 06:47 PM

Welcome to the church of doggy nutrition, ours is the only way, everyone else is going to hurt their dog. Let us start reading from the book of Raw, chapter one.

**Kfamr** · 03-08-2006, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Welcome to the church of doggy nutrition, ours is the only way, everyone else is going to hurt their dog. Let us start reading from the book of Raw, chapter one.

Hehe, thank you for bringing some humor into this.

I knew men were good for something.

**Lady's Human** · 03-08-2006, 07:21 PM

You have made some contradictory and inflammatory statements:

My dog won't be healthy if I feed him Dog Chow, he will be healthy if I feed him premium food.

Followed by:

I too agree to feed only what your dog does best on...

As to what to feed a dog, when I was growing up we got a puppy who had ricketts, fed her what the vet suggested to get her over the ricketts, and for the rest of her life fed her "cheap low grade" kibble, table scraps, and god forbid, bits of chocolate on occassion. This malnourished, abused dog lived to be 14, quite an old age for a dog who was 1/2 Great Dane and started off her life with a nutritional ailment.

And a statement guaranteed to upset people who feed their dog Kibbles'n Bits

"Kibbles 'N Bits is filled with crap and poisonous preservatives. "

I have known plenty of dogs who have been fed kibbles 'n bits, dog chow, etc, who have done fine, had healthy, shiny coats, and lived to be old animals in good health.

When you state your beliefs as the gospel truth, it tends to irritate people. I would suggest choosing words a little more carefully, you'll ruffle less feathers.

**Crazy-Cat-Lover** · 03-08-2006, 08:17 PM

It's not humour when he/she was clearly leaning the post towards me. Making me feel like a bag of crap.

I deleted my posts and would appreciate if others would delete the quotes. I feel this is not my place to post, since everytime I do, it turns into a heated conversation.

**BitsyNaceyDog** · 03-08-2006, 08:37 PM

I can't believe this Greenie subject is back again. My dogs love greenies. They don't get them everyday because of the expense, but they do get them. I agree that they are as safe (if not safer) than other chews.

Though this thread isn't about feeding raw, I'll add my opinion on that too. I personally don't believe that just because a wolf chases down, kills, and eats a rabbit that it means pet dogs should be eating raw meat too. Dogs are not savages, they are domesticated pets. (NOTE: I'm not saying a dog who eats raw is a savage, I'm saying wolves are.) I personally am not a fan of feeding raw, it's simply not for me. I'm not going to tell someone who does feed raw that it's wrong, same as I don't need someone telling me that feeding kibble is wrong.

Also for the record, I wouldn't feed Kibbles & Bits, however some dogs do actually do fine on it. My grandma had a lab who lived to be 13, not too bad for a lab. He was a farm dog, he ran in the fields, he drank and played in the creek. He often slept outside at night. He ate kibbles & Bits and table scraps. He was never sick. He started slowing down do to arthritis when he was 12 or 13. My grandma had him put down at 13 because of the arthritis. I'm not saying he wouldn't have done as well or better on a better diet, but it didn't seem to really hurt him at all.

**Crazy-Cat-Lover** · 03-08-2006, 08:40 PM

Oh my, this was too wierd not to post here...

Thursday, March 9, 2006

Gemini Horoscope

Your Thursday Horoscope Nattasha!

A communication breakdown is likely. You will have spoken too soon or too confidently about a matter you know little about. To be quoted on the subject later will be potentially embarrassing.

**Almita** · 03-08-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover

That was uncalled for. There is no point in making me feel like a pile of crap for expressing my beliefs. My post was not meant to make people start to argue, which they always do. I simply typed what I believe. My opinions on topics should never, ever be used to generalize. I never said anyones dog here was unhealthy because they eat kibble. I will feed kibble for gosh sakes. My opinions shouldn't be used to make another opinion or to assume that I think your dogs are sickly.

I said....

"People that feed raw know that their dogs are healthier than ANY dog fed kibble, it shows in their eyes, coat and teeth. They have higher energy and live longer."

Because I do know people who believe this is true. I know people who feed raw and have extremely healthy dogs, much healthier than a dog eating Dog Chow. Now, if we're talking about a super premium dog food, then that IS much healthier than lower grade kibble and IMO is just as good as raw. Innova EVO is a great food, and I would feed it over raw any day.

What I should have said is...

"People that feed raw know that their dogs are healthier than ANY dog fed lower grade kibble, it shows in their eyes, coat and teeth. They have higher energy and live longer.

It was just something to bring humor to the thread....