Some Dick Cheney jokes..

[Edwina's Secretary]

I have yet to see any non-partisan proof of the justification for the war. I have yet to see any non-partisan proof of truth having been told about WMD, any non-partisan justification for the outing of covert agents. I have yet to see any non-partisan justification for electronic spying (like George Washington did.... ) on American citizens without warrants. I have yet to see this administration do anything non-partisan.

Mr. Cheney's personal conduct in this situation has not been honorable. I thought in the last administration it was establish that personal conduct of politicians is fair game. Or is that partisan as well?

[Lady's Human]

Non partisan proof of WMD in Iraq:


Jane's Defense weekly (Sort of a privately owned intel agency), various articles from the mid 80's to present.

European Intelligence services, in a constant chorus throughout the '90s

Valerie Plame outed herself to her neighbors. (if you're a covert op, your neighbors don't know you work for the CIA)

Electronic spying without a warrant? Yeah, I'm REALLY upset with JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton (Echelon ring a bell?), and the current admin for that, but I've yet to see a non partisan legal opinion on whether listening in on calls originating outside the US is covered. Besides, if the administration thought what they were doing was illegal, all they had to do was ask another country to share the intel with us (after pointing them in the right direction, after all ELINT and decryption has been a British game for years)

I thought President Clinton's conduct in his personal life was abysmal, but it didn't rise to the level of impeachment. Perjury barely did, given the case involved, but there were things he did that had nothing to do with his personal life that DID rise to the level of impeachment. (Look up China's launch success rate prior to 1992 and after the LORAL tech sale was approved, and find an estimate of their missile CEP (circular error probability) prior to and in the years after that "civilian" tech transfer) Prior to the transfer the high end of their CEP was 3KM, now the high end is 500m. In other words, they used to be able to hit California, now they can hit the Chinese Theater. Prior to the tech transfer, they couldn't get a missile off the ground more than 50% of the time. Now their systems are fairly reliable.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Kinda impeachment obsessed aren't you?

Can you really...with a straight face....call Jane Defense Weekly non-partisan???? Or are you counting on me being too stupid to know what it is????

And I get my news from the very non-partisan The Daily Show.....

[Lady's Human]

JDW is very non partisan, they call a spade a spade. It is extremely well thought of by the MI world, and hated as well. Janes annual reviews are in the libraries of every Joint Staff that can acquire them. They essentially "outed" the F-117 program,(resulting in a USAF Major having a revoked clearance and wings removed) and have acted as a commercial intel agency for decades, living off the sales of their intel.

I like Jon Stewart, he's an on air version of Berk Breathed.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Let's agree that you and I have a very different definition of "non-partisan."

But to get back on topic...so...if I...or you....or your child....or my dog....walk up behind a hunter...while wearing a bright orange vest...and the hunter shots us....it is OUR fault. Because we don't say..."hey, please don't shot your gun until you know I am back in the line! or at least know where I am!"

Got it...note to self...stay out of the woods....

[lizbud]

If you or I had been the shooter, what would have happened?

Lets see, no valid hunting license, smell of alcohol on breath(he had a beer
for lunch) and person injured required hospitalization. Three guesses.

[Lady's Human]

Liz, as far as the hunting license goes, he had a valid license, he didn't have the proper stamp, which is normally a wrist slap if its a first offense. (it all depends on local law, but normally it's go buy the stamp, come back and let me see it)

These incidents happen all too frequently, and normally the local police investigate, take statements, and put it in the darwin awards file.