Breeding English Bulldogs

[Rivera7]

I logged on last night and was astonished at some of the responses I received with a very, very honest query for additional assistance with getting started with raising and breeding E. Bulls. I am a enthusiastic pet owner and lover and I came to this website to hear ideas and suggestions from fellow pet lovers, of whom I thought would be caring, supportive, and helpful. However I was so mad and hurt last night from comments made by Vela and "Her Followers" I decided to not respond last night and stoop down to their levels. Do you think I just decided..."Hey, I want to make a buck... lets get 2 bulldogs together and see what I get." I have owned an English before. The best dog I ever had. I have always been in love with English's. If you have ever owned one or had the priviledge to be in one's company you understand what I am saying. The established breeder that I obtained him from had done an awesome job in breeding and potentiating great qualities in this breed. I had NO health problems with T-Bone (except for a little redness he had in a wrinkle he had right above his nose). That is it. What a great specimen he was. T-Bone's mom was able to deliver naturally which is not typical. I have done tremendous research on this breed via internet and books. I thought I would seek out information at this site. Boy, was that a bad idea.
Vella, and your followers ,that can only muster up a few words like..."well said Vella" stated by Iv4dogs, back off. I am going to raise the parents from puppies to make sure they have what I think needs to be continued in their breed. And any IDIOT knows that you should obtain male and female form seperate places. And , no , I can't afford both of the pups at the same time because of the quality of the breed that I am obtaining... over 3 grand for a E.B. pup is what I expect to pay because I want the best. A few months later I will venture out for the next addition. I don't have to jump in with every dime I have. I want to be sure of every step I take. I don't want to make any mistakes. And it is not your job/role to assist me in how to manage my finances for vet visits, emergencies, dog supplies. I am very well aware of what I will need. THANK YOU!
I will stop now because I can tell I am getting angry and going to say unnecessary things.
I do want to thank Giselle for your information and understanding. As well as bcKrazy. If there is anyone else that was genuinely concerned and helpful ,thank you.
If their is anyone else that has a rude or undermining comment please keep it to your self.
If their is anyone else that cares and is concerned and can be helpful please respond.
Thank you so much.

[BitsyNaceyDog]

Rivera7, Please don't find this a negative post, I don't mean it to be. I simply want you to understand where we are coming from. I'd like you to go back a read your first post. You gave us NO information except that you want to breed english bulldogs and you can't afford both dogs at the same time. You have to understand that this was your first ever post on this board and we know nothing at all about you. Had you explained yourself like you did in your second post you would have gotten some better responses.

There are a lot of people here who are against breeding and 100% for rescuing only. Others here support both rescuing and reputable breeders. I fall into that second category, I am very much involved with rescuing however I'm not at all against reputable breeders. You will not find anyone here who will support or even tolerate a backyard breeder, I'm sure you can understand that. This board is full of very passionate people.

any IDIOT knows that you should obtain male and female form seperate places.

The fact is that the world is full of "idiots". When it comes to breeding there are way way more backyard breeders than reputable ones. Because you gave us no information about your plans and knowledge on breeding we had to assume you had none. Understand that and you will understand why you got the responses that you got.

I agree with giselle that shadowing a reputable breeder would be the best place to start. It takes time to earn the respect of other reputable breeders. Get in the show ring with another breeders dog. You need to know how to swim before jumping into the pool, otherwise you'll probably drown.

I wish you the best of luck. I hope you can now see where we are coming from and I hope you'll give Pet Talk another chance.

[Logan]

I'm sorry that your introduction to this forum was so negative. I happen to LOVE English Bulldogs and hope to have one, myself, one day. It seems to me that you have thought out all of the issues with this breed. I have learned some things from reading this about the C-Sections. I knew they usually have small litters and there is a huge problem with actually delivering the babies, but I didn't know that C-Sections were the norm these days. I have only experienced one precious fellow, Ben, in my life, and he was the dog I grew up with. I loved him so much and have always wanted another one. My husband, it turns out, loves them too. We will have one, one day.

Best of luck to you on finding the right pair. Even if you never have puppies, I know you will experience much joy owning these precious dogs.

Logan

[Vela]

I will stop now because I can tell I am getting angry and going to say unnecessary things. Thank you so much.

Pretty sure you already did, but whatever. You assume an awful lot and you were the only person who said rude and unnecessary things in this thread and intentionally tried to do so. Nobody else directed anything rude to you in any manner so how about taking your own advice and keeping your negative comments to yourself. Good luck with the dogs.

[beeniesmom]

Any IDIOT...

She must be talking about me.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Don't get annoyed by the responses - you asked for advice from the experts and you got it! You couldn't have come to a better place if your main concern was for the welfare of your dogs

[lv4dogs]

First of all I am no ones follower and I was only able to muster up a few words like..."well said Vella" because I agreed with her. She said everything I would of said and I had nothing more to add.

I am honestly very sorry that your first experience here was a bad one but like others have said we didn't know anything about you. If you were to re-read your first post & pretend that it is written by someone else you may understand where were coming from. It sounded like you knew nothing about the breed, only that you were interested in breeding BD's. It kind of came across that you were a BYB in the making or the like. Sorry but thats the impression I got, by the sounds of it a lot of others did too.

And by the way no one here said anything rude to you but I do have to admit that some rude comments were made by you.

[Anita Cholaine]

I don't think anybody has been rude to you, but I do think your last post was a bit rude... We were just trying to give some good advice... I'm sorry if you missed that point...

[Daisy and Delilah]

Hi and welcome to Pet Talk. I am no expert so I usually don't get involved with these types of threads. However, after reading the thread all the way through from the beginning, I was beaming with pride for my fellow Pet Talkers. Proud that they all gave you their expert opinions completely without malice or judgement. Sometimes these threads have gotten ugly but this one never did until you replied back to everybody. I don't understand it. What was it that upset you so badly? No one intended negativity in any way towards you so please don't take it that way. You asked for advice and you got it. What more did you want?

[Jessika]

You came for advice and opinions, and that's what you got. Please don't take offense to it, just because its not what you want to hear. Did you completely skip over the posts that some members DID make that gave you tips (one that stood out to me was the one made by bckrazy)? As a whole, I think this thread is very informative and not at all negative in any aspect. Please don't take it the wrong way, and definitely don't take offense to it. At least you're asking for help and adive where others would never do it and just think "hey this breed is cute, lets stick two together and see what happens. I'm sure they'll have cute puppies!".

And it is not your job/role to assist me in how to manage my finances for vet visits, emergencies, dog supplies..

Wait, what? You asked for advice, and you got it. Nobody is telling you what to do, saying you're dumb or stupid, nobody! I REALLY think you got the entirely WRONG idea from this post. You want us to be open-minded with you, you must be open-minded with all of us as well. As lv4dogs stated, we don't know you or your situation as you did not tell us, how were we to assume?? We certainly can't read your mind.

[Alysser]

Am I blind to rude comments or something? Because I see none! NONE at all! As said by Vela, you are the only one saying rude unessacary things. You asked for our suggestions and we gave them. If you wanted them so bad, you got them.

[Vela]

And no Maltese Love isn't my "follower" either =) LOL what an odd thing to say. But rather than retype things here, when we agree with someone's post we just agree with them, doesn't many ANYONE a follower, just makes us like minded on that point. Everyone here has their own minds and opinons and sometimes we just happen to agree. Not sure why that's hard to understand. Had you explained yourself more in the first post you wouldn't have received those replies, but we aren't mind readers and you came across like you didn't know anything about breeding, not sure why that offends you but to each their own.

[bckrazy]

To be perfectly honest it really did sound like, just in your first short post, you hadn't researched much. I hate to assume, but that's the vibe I got. Please don't feel offended - everyone here is VERY passionate about pets and breeding ethically. And, we've had some one here recently asking about breeding English Bulldogs to make money... as if EB's aren't one of the most difficult and expensive breeds to whelp ;0)!

I'm VERY relieved that you've done all of the research and found great breeders to learn from! Thats awesome! I really do hope you share your experience on PT, it's a great place to come to for advice and sharing pictures!!

[KYS]

Welcome to Pet Talk..

Giselle and bckrazy pretty much posted what you need to do
if you are seriously thinking about breeding and breeding the right way.

1: I would suggest going to the AKC web site and looking up the "official
breed club". Than start corresponding with that breed club.
You also can join and start attending a local breed club in your area before
you even own the breed.

2:Usually their are one or two "good" breed pacific e-mail forums where
many rescue, show breeders and pet people have joined.
This is also a good way to introduce yourself to others and sit back
and learn.

3: start attending local dog shows and when the handler/owner is not busy
they usually do not mind answering questions about their dogs etc.

4: Take your time and do your research. Learn who the reputable
breeders are. It is helpful if you try to learn about genetics and
make sure the breeder you choose has knowledge and honest
about the genetics their dogs lines regarding health issues/faults etc.
(if it sounds to good to be true usually it is)

5: Make sure the breeder you choose is a good mentor who will help
you for the life of the dog with all questions. A good mentor
will help you with showing, health screening and any other questions you might have pertaining to your dogs. A good mentor is very valuable and will usually make a life time friend.

6: Gets your dogs titled and during this time do the required health tests you need to do on your breeding pair. IF your dogs do
not pass the required healthy tests, than do not breed your dogs titled
or not.

Good luck

[Alysser]

Thank you Vela. I have now changed my mind a little. If you honestly have reasearched and you think you can afford the dogs then breed. But if you know nothing about breeding, English Bulldogs,ect. that would be a bad idea. Good Luck! But a word of advice: If you want opinions/suggestions then please do not be offended by people's posts.