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    pssstt...LH....VietNam was a long time ago....you are engaging in what YOU defined as smear!

    You are very selective in what you call smear and what you call spin. Your guy spins...the other guy smears.....

    A preliminary investigation is an investigation....

    I was around during Viet Nam....going into the National Guard or the Reserves...first was very hard to do....it was a way to avoid going to Viet Nam. My brother-in-law at the time did it (you had to use clout to get in...my bil had a dad who was a state cop.) To call GW's enlistment anything other than draft dodging is pure BS.....but I am sure you classify that as a smear....ancient history that has been hashed over.....

    But of course in the word of VP Cheney..."I had better things to do..."

    How can you not call Kerry's military service smear? It was longer ago than Bush failure as an oilman????

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    ES, I didn't bring up Kerry's record, you did.

    Former VP gore is not old news, as he keeps inserting himself into the political scene, regardless of how inconsequential he is. Funny, it used to be the loser bowed out gracefully and let the winner do the job. The first President Bush was not really heard from after his defeat, President Ford remained largely out of the spotlight, and President Carter did as well. It seems that the part of the graceful loser and the graceful exit of the chief executives is a thing of the past (thank you to President Clinton's team for that).

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    Jimmy Carter out of the spotlight? Bowed out? He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his work at the Carter Center, which is world renowned for conflict mediation and election monitoring. Established 2 years after leaving office.

    I just finished his book "Our Endangered Values." I highly recommend it. It's currently number 8 on the NY Times Hardcover best seller list. He's definitely inserting himself into the current political scene.

    "Perhaps that's why the former president, Nobel Peace Prize-winner, and bestselling author ranks as one of the planet's most respected voices in the areas of human rights, diplomacy, and good government"
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    Perhaps that is because Gore wasn't the loser of anything but the Supreme Court election?

    And let's be honest....Dole did go on to make tv commercials for erectile dysfunction. Does that count as inserting himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
    Perhaps that is because Gored wasn't the loser of anything but the Supreme Court election?

    And let's be honest....Dole did go on the make tv commercials for erectile dysfunction. Does that count as inserting himself?

    Since I like the Frau Dole I have to refrain on....


    Aw what the heck....


    He wasn't a very potent politician.


    ES.

    You do have a sense of humor! and it's pretty good....

    Now let your hair down and don't be so stiff...

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    AbbysMom,

    Carter established the center, and also did other humanitarian work, however he did NOT go to the media and rip apart the succeeding administration in the manner that former Pres. Clinton, former VP Gore, and Senator Kerry have done.

    ES, Dole's commercials were more on the line of the inability to insert himself into the situation.....

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    LH....at least you are consistent...you never let TRUTH get in the way of a spin.....

    October 25, 2004 18:17 IST



    US President George W Bush has exploited the suffering of September 9/11 and turned back decades of efforts to make the world a safer place, former President Jimmy Carter has said.
    Attacking Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair over Iraq in an interview to The Guardian, London, published Monday, Carter said the war was "completely unjust adventure based on misleading statements."

    80-year-old Carter, who was President from 1977-1981, but did not win re-election amid the US hostage crisis in Iran, also criticised Bush for "lack of effort" on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and accused him of abandoning nuclear non-proliferation initiatives championed by five presidents.

    "The US suffered, in 9/11, a terrible and shocking attack... and George Bush has been adroit at exploiting that attack, and he has elevated himself, in the consciousness of many Americans, to a heroic commander-in-chief, fighting a global threat against America," Carter said.

    "He's repeatedly played that card, and to some degree quite successfully. I think that success has dissipated. I don't know if it's dissipating fast enough to affect the election. We'll soon know."

    Denying any link between his handling of the Iranian crisis and the present threat, Carter said "The entire Islamic world condemned Iran. Nowadays, because of the unwarranted invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, which was a completely unjust adventure based on misleading statements, and the lack of any effort to resolve the Palestinian issue, there is massive Islamic condemnation of the United States."

    American media organisations, he said, "have been cowed, because they didn't want to be unpatriotic. There has been a lack of inquisitive journalism. In fact, it's hard to think of a major medium in the US that has been objective and fair and balanced, and critical when criticism was deserved."

    On nuclear proliferation, the issue that the Democratic contender John Kerry has identified as the single most serious threat to national security, Carter attacked Bush for abandoning "all of those long, tedious negotiations" carried out by President Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan and himself.

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